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> Partly because even in a world where it became clear that school isn’t useful I don’t follow… In what world is school not useful? I suspect the social value

> Partly because even in a world where it became clear that school isn’t useful I don’t follow… In what world is school not useful? I suspect the social value of school will become much more apparent soon.

AnarchismIsCool 3y ago
It's not that it's actually not useful, but given everything going on it certainly feels not useful to a lot of kids. In a lot of ways, school is the part of our society that changes the slowest.
Vecr 3y ago
Lots of them, depending on what you mean by "school" and "useful". I think it's doubtful we're in one though.
aquarkortwo 3y ago
In a world where we have personalized tutors and assistants that can pass on knowledge much more efficiently and effectively than human teachers can.
- keiferski 3y ago
  People keep saying this and I don’t buy it. Kids arent going to learn the best by staring at a computer screen eight hours a day. If this happens it’ll be because of reduced education funding, not efficiency.
  - packetlost 3y ago
    I think a prerequisite to that is figuring out how to get them to not spit out complete bullshit consistently anyways.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    Is staring at a screen for eight hours a day better or worse than staring at a chalkboard or a marker board?
- tempodox 3y ago
  That assumption would have to be proven first.
- wilbo 3y ago
  * I suspect the social value of school will become much more apparent soon.* School is not just about the academic knowledge you gain. Plus, I'd imagine pairing a personalized tutor with an effective human teacher would only accelerate learning faster.
  - butwho 3y ago
    > I suspect the social value of school will become much more apparent soon. It's important for the children to see the bullies protected by inept teachers, otherwise how will they learn how the world actually works?
- sinuhe69 3y ago
  Really? Did you try to learn something seriously with AI and compare the same process with a human teacher? And you seriously believe the parrot is better? Try asking ChatGPT or Gemini about minimax plus alpha-beta pruning then change the cut-off conditions and ask it which one is correct and why and see it for yourself. Lookup the literature to see which one is correct. And that’s only a very simple example of concrete facts/things. Now imagine the AI not only need to understand abstract concepts, it also need to understand your weakness/strength to adapt the examples/explanations, give you scaffolding and speak to your heart to become a good teacher. Good luck!
  - ben_w 3y ago
    I have an audio recording of an actual human teacher trying to insist, in the 2005-6 academic year, that motion capture couldn't possibly be recorded for more than a few minutes at a time because that would use "several megabytes" of data. My laptop was recording audio at 44kHz/16-bit at the time.

AnarchismIsCool 3y ago

It's not that it's actually not useful, but given everything going on it certainly feels not useful to a lot of kids. In a lot of ways, school is the part of our society that changes the slowest.

Vecr 3y ago

Lots of them, depending on what you mean by "school" and "useful". I think it's doubtful we're in one though.

aquarkortwo 3y ago

In a world where we have personalized tutors and assistants that can pass on knowledge much more efficiently and effectively than human teachers can.

keiferski 3y ago
People keep saying this and I don’t buy it. Kids arent going to learn the best by staring at a computer screen eight hours a day. If this happens it’ll be because of reduced education funding, not efficiency.
- packetlost 3y ago
  I think a prerequisite to that is figuring out how to get them to not spit out complete bullshit consistently anyways.
- ben_w 3y ago
  Is staring at a screen for eight hours a day better or worse than staring at a chalkboard or a marker board?
tempodox 3y ago
That assumption would have to be proven first.
wilbo 3y ago
* I suspect the social value of school will become much more apparent soon.* School is not just about the academic knowledge you gain. Plus, I'd imagine pairing a personalized tutor with an effective human teacher would only accelerate learning faster.
- butwho 3y ago
  > I suspect the social value of school will become much more apparent soon. It's important for the children to see the bullies protected by inept teachers, otherwise how will they learn how the world actually works?
sinuhe69 3y ago
Really? Did you try to learn something seriously with AI and compare the same process with a human teacher? And you seriously believe the parrot is better? Try asking ChatGPT or Gemini about minimax plus alpha-beta pruning then change the cut-off conditions and ask it which one is correct and why and see it for yourself. Lookup the literature to see which one is correct. And that’s only a very simple example of concrete facts/things. Now imagine the AI not only need to understand abstract concepts, it also need to understand your weakness/strength to adapt the examples/explanations, give you scaffolding and speak to your heart to become a good teacher. Good luck!
- ben_w 3y ago
  I have an audio recording of an actual human teacher trying to insist, in the 2005-6 academic year, that motion capture couldn't possibly be recorded for more than a few minutes at a time because that would use "several megabytes" of data. My laptop was recording audio at 44kHz/16-bit at the time.