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It’s because they aren’t cutting down all the trees there. They’ve found a way to just actually live off the land without destroying. Way more than a millennium
by huytersd 3y ago
It’s because they aren’t cutting down all the trees there. They’ve found a way to just actually live off the land without destroying. Way more than a millennium, they’ve been doing it for 50,000 years. It’s no joke.
- DiscourseFan 3y agoYeah no wonder they kill anyone who tries to come
- huytersd 3y agoGood for them. Honestly.
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- jojobas 3y agoThat's not a life you would want to live though.
- huytersd 3y agoNo, but it’s probably a pretty good life if that’s the only thing you know. They have a lot of sex on the beach (actually) and don’t look malnourished.
- mixmastamyk 3y agoReminds me of the parable chiding the fisherman relaxing at the beach to work hard, so he can later retire relaxing at the beach.
- fuzztester 3y agoYes, that is a good one. Googled and found a few versions. Here is one: https://thestorytellers.com/the-businessman-and-the-fisherman/ https://thestorytellers.com/the-businessman-and-the-fisherma... Also see who thestorytellers are a part of (at the top).
- joshuahedlund 3y agoOk, but what’s the child mortality rate? Maternal mortality rate? Average life span? Rate of death from infected wounds? Random diseases caused by inbreeding? We may not have direct data on many basic quality of life indicators but we can make educated guesses from lots of historical analogues.
- kelseyfrog 3y agoBut how happy are they?
- thfuran 3y agoWhat an utterly absurd question. You've clearly lost sight of what's important: The metrics.
- labster 3y agoYeah the islanders might say they are happy but are they meeting or exceeding their OKRs?
- sidewndr46 3y agoMore importantly, how much did their 401k grow last year?
- ffgjgf1 3y agoIt’s easy for a society to be “happy” (whatever that mean and however you measure that) when only fully healthy people get a chance to live and everyone else is dead.
- coryrc 3y agoAre more people individually less happy better than fewer people individually more happy? Do you just multiply the two together to decide which is morally better?
- defrost 3y agoTry telling that to the Marshallese, Torres Strait, Tiwi and Elcho Islanders though. They'll tell you it's all good apart from colonists, blackbirders, and atomic tests. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXkwDeaQS08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXkwDeaQS08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vEntK3fwp8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vEntK3fwp8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbirding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbirding https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/location/marshall-islands/ https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/location/marshall-islands/
- ffgjgf1 3y agoImplying that that the majority of the people living there somehow made a conscious and at least a marginally informed choice to live how they do is more than bizarre.
- defrost 3y agoThat's certainly true of both the UK and Germany (and many other countries) where the majority of the population found themselves Born, Never Asked [1]. Is there a reason you'd make such a banal generic point specific to the Torres Strait Island or Tiwi Islands? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0ltGjJ7_U8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0ltGjJ7_U8
- Aerbil313 3y agoImplying that because they live in worse material conditions they have worse mental health or lower levels of happiness is even more bizarre. Makes you think what aspects of life you’d want to optimize for.
- Fricken 3y agoIt goes both ways, dude.
- ffgjgf1 3y agoNo it doesn’t. If fully informed basically nobody living in modern society would chose to adopt that lifestyle (even if they somehow magically acquired all the skills required to succeed there etc.). The opposite is certainly not true
- doublec 3y agoThe “Easter Islanders cut down all their trees and collapsed society” as posited by Jared Diamond has long been disproven https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rethinking-easter-islands-historic-collapse/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rethinking-easter...
- huytersd 3y agoSure, but we have a modern day example in Haiti. It’s also common sense in some regards.
- brabel 3y agoYour article says: "It’s therefore possible that it was the newcomers from Europe who contributed to the island’s societal collapse in the years to come." Right, as usual, the evil Europeans were the cause of the collapse, and the fact that there were no trees left on the island for hundreds of years prior, and therefore no wood for building things, had absolutely nothing to do with the collapse. This modern rewriting of history according to modern sensitivities is incredible in a society that preaches to value reason and science rather than wishful thinking.
- Log_out_ 3y agoDiamond argued for a environment caused degradation + diverse factors of their society and thus indirectly attacked the west-"centric-diabolist meat pots. These papers are a attempt to reconquer lost funding by the very same academics who happily ignore other cultures atrocities, be they in the past: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Zanzibar https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Zanzibar https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/abs/slavery-and-its-transformation-in-the-kingdom-of-kongo-14911800/C13C2D3671AA721632D91B2F86B2A325 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-h... Or in the present: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/23/russia-partial-military-mobilization-ethnic-minorities/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/09/23/russia-partial-military... Its extraordinary that such a blatantly racist (west centric diabolism) and ideological charged movement is still recognized as academia.
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- ffgjgf1 3y agoBecause they are incapable of producing any economic surplus and thus have no population growth whatsoever. The whole noble savages trope you seem to be be leaning to might sound quite romantic but they didn’t really make a conscious choice to live how they do. > It’s no joke. So is high infant mortality, low life expectancy due to a very high likelihood of dying from a trivially treatable diseases, living in abject poverty etc etc.
- angiosperm 3y agoIn much of the world, hunter-gatherers have needed to spend no more than two hours per day on practical activities, year-round. Temperate climates have been more demanding. In the highlands of India, remaining time is often spent brewing and drinking alcohol, with the biggest problem being elephants finding and raiding the brew pots.