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Ukrainian isn’t a dialect continuum with Russian. That’s a myth commonly pushed by Russia and Russian nationalists. It’s a separate language with roots divergin
by mlindner 3y ago
Ukrainian isn’t a dialect continuum with Russian. That’s a myth commonly pushed by Russia and Russian nationalists. It’s a separate language with roots diverging from a rather early point with different history. It actually shares more similarity with Polish or Bulgarian than it does with Russian. Here’s a good video on the languages https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQLM62r5nLI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQLM62r5nLI
(Note: It was published before the war so the statistics of where what languages are commonly used have changed dramatically.)
- thriftwy 3y agoSurzhik spoken everywhere east of Dnieper, in Kiev and and Odessa certainly is a dialect continuum with Russian. Most often it's simply Russian with a Swadesh list of 100 words replaced by their Ukrainian counterpairs, whenever possible. The rest being left as is. Nobody really cares what these far western ukrainians are up to. Russians don't really want them. Maybe with the exception for one dude from Vinnitsa.
- sergeykish 3y agoEneida by Ivan Kotliarevsky [1] (1798) is first literary work published wholly in the modern Ukrainian language. Ivan Kotliarevsky lived in Poltava, East Ukraine [2]. Valuev Circular [3] (1863), Ems Ukaz [4] (1876) banned the use of the Ukrainian language in print. Religious books on Ukrainian were banned century before [5]. Census [6] (1897) maps Ukrainian language majority far beyond Ukraine current borders. Annexed by RSFSR, Russified by force. Continuum of ethnocide by Moscow. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eneida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eneida [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Kotliarevsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Kotliarevsky [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valuev_Circular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valuev_Circular [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ems_Ukaz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ems_Ukaz [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Ukrainian_language_suppression https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Ukrainian_langua... [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire_census https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire_census
- thriftwy 3y agoЕней був парубок моторний І хлопець хоть куди козак, На лихо здався він проворний, Завзятіший од всіх бурлак. So you are saying this is not a dialect of Russian? Any Russian can understand 50% of this text right off bat, 80% after a day of effort and 95% after a week. Nationalists like to draw fantasy maps. Want to see mine?
- sergeykish 3y agoClaims census 1897 is "fantasy map" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire_census https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire_census Roma, Romania, do you claim Italian is "Romanian dialect"? Muscovy was Rus colony, grew under Golden Horde, renamed in 1721. Rus Grand Prince Володимѣръ Свѧтославичъ — Ukrainian name Володимир (Volodymyr) not Moscow Владимир (Vladimir). Language of Kyiv can't be dialect of its former colonies language. Slav languages are mutually intelligible. I've checked spoken Slovak, Polish, Croatian, Bulgarian. Do you claim these are "dialects" of Moscow language? Eneida translated to Polish: Eneasz rzutkim był młodzianem, Podobnym całkiem do Kozaków, Radzącym z każdym złem spotkanym, Zawziętszym nawet od burłaków. "50% of this text right off bat"
- thriftwy 3y agoOkay, okay, I don't disagree. Perhaps Russian language is a dialect of Ukrainian. No worries. I don't understand a word of Polish text.
- oneshtein 3y agoRussian (Russish) language is recent development. First song in Russian language was publicly performed by Fedor Shaliapin as demonstration that Russian language can be used instead of French language in culture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMCFALhS90c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMCFALhS90c
- thriftwy 3y ago