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The history of both nations is hugely different. I would recommend this lecture series by Timothy Snyder to enlighten you: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list

by gpvos 3y ago

The history of both nations is hugely different. I would recommend this lecture series by Timothy Snyder to enlighten you: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNewfxO7LhBoz_1Mx1MaO6sw_ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh9mgdi4rNewfxO7LhBoz... Yes, there are lots of family and friendship ties between the countries. It's sad that Putin has destroyed any chance of good relationships in the future, and basically solidified Ukraine as a nation in opposition to his aggression.

secondary_op 3y ago
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- the_why_of_y 3y ago
  As can be seen in the first seconds of the lectures, Timothy Snyder is a professor at Yale [1], a private university, so he cannot be considered a government employee. Additionally, even in government run universities in the west, there is the concept of academic freedom[2], meaning that faculty are able to teach their material freely without having to fear retaliation from the government (in the United States, this is effectively limited to "tenured" professors, it's more general in other countries.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_University [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_freedom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_freedom
  - secondary_op 3y ago
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    - the_why_of_y 3y ago
      By your argument, we should disregard everything Noam Chomsky says on politics because he is a professor (emeritus) at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, an elite university deeply interconnected with the government, and thus must be considered a mouthpiece for US government propaganda.
      - secondary_op 3y ago
        No. Can you people do not turn off your technical rooted in science pragmatic pedantic brain when talking about politics ? MIT is technical university, why I have to explain on HN that there is great difference between technical crowd from MIT and politicians who brewed at Yale ? Yale have more in common with United States Military Academy At West Point where [1] > The runner up after Harvard is Yale University, claiming 5 U.S presidents as alumni. > Ulysses S. Grant and Dwight D. Eisenhower are the only 2 U.S. presidents who attended the United States Military Academy At West Point. They are also 2 of the most important military generals in American history [1] https://www.uopeople.edu/blog/where-did-most-u-s-presidents-attend-college/ https://www.uopeople.edu/blog/where-did-most-u-s-presidents-...
- khokhol 3y ago
  Timothy Snyder is the worst source, he is academic on payroll of government and 100% biased. On top of having zero credentials yourself, you're also making some pretty weird, muddled arguments here: "Snyder is on the government payroll! Okay so maybe he isn't. But Navalny attended Yale. And so did some people who ended up working for the government. So plainly Snyder in the pocket of ..."
holoduke 3y ago
I lived in Ukraine and when you cross the border between Russia and Ukraine you will notice absolutely no difference. Everything is the same. People, infra, houses, food. Only the language is different.
- gpvos 3y ago
  Yeah, after 300 years of being occupied by Russia, finishing off by being ravaged by the Soviets, you get that.
the_why_of_y 3y ago
Second the recommendation, learned a lot watching this. If you don't have time to watch all 23 episodes, the last one is a bit of a summary, discussing the history of European imperialism and colonialism, particularly Nazi German imperialism (conquering Ukraine was a central strategic goal of WW2), and pointing out some European hypocrisy in their reckoning of this history, and how Russia is exploiting that to pursue its own imperialist and colonialist goals.

by gpvos 3y ago

secondary_op 3y ago

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the_why_of_y 3y ago
As can be seen in the first seconds of the lectures, Timothy Snyder is a professor at Yale [1], a private university, so he cannot be considered a government employee. Additionally, even in government run universities in the west, there is the concept of academic freedom[2], meaning that faculty are able to teach their material freely without having to fear retaliation from the government (in the United States, this is effectively limited to "tenured" professors, it's more general in other countries.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_University [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_freedom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_freedom
- secondary_op 3y ago
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  - the_why_of_y 3y ago
    By your argument, we should disregard everything Noam Chomsky says on politics because he is a professor (emeritus) at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, an elite university deeply interconnected with the government, and thus must be considered a mouthpiece for US government propaganda.
    - secondary_op 3y ago
      No. Can you people do not turn off your technical rooted in science pragmatic pedantic brain when talking about politics ? MIT is technical university, why I have to explain on HN that there is great difference between technical crowd from MIT and politicians who brewed at Yale ? Yale have more in common with United States Military Academy At West Point where [1] > The runner up after Harvard is Yale University, claiming 5 U.S presidents as alumni. > Ulysses S. Grant and Dwight D. Eisenhower are the only 2 U.S. presidents who attended the United States Military Academy At West Point. They are also 2 of the most important military generals in American history [1] https://www.uopeople.edu/blog/where-did-most-u-s-presidents-attend-college/ https://www.uopeople.edu/blog/where-did-most-u-s-presidents-...
khokhol 3y ago
Timothy Snyder is the worst source, he is academic on payroll of government and 100% biased. On top of having zero credentials yourself, you're also making some pretty weird, muddled arguments here: "Snyder is on the government payroll! Okay so maybe he isn't. But Navalny attended Yale. And so did some people who ended up working for the government. So plainly Snyder in the pocket of ..."

holoduke 3y ago

I lived in Ukraine and when you cross the border between Russia and Ukraine you will notice absolutely no difference. Everything is the same. People, infra, houses, food. Only the language is different.

gpvos 3y ago
Yeah, after 300 years of being occupied by Russia, finishing off by being ravaged by the Soviets, you get that.

the_why_of_y 3y ago

Second the recommendation, learned a lot watching this. If you don't have time to watch all 23 episodes, the last one is a bit of a summary, discussing the history of European imperialism and colonialism, particularly Nazi German imperialism (conquering Ukraine was a central strategic goal of WW2), and pointing out some European hypocrisy in their reckoning of this history, and how Russia is exploiting that to pursue its own imperialist and colonialist goals.