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That's quite a russian narrative. Mariupol alone is in vicinity of 100k civilian casualties. Kyiv holds because of air defense and denying ru air superiority by

That's quite a russian narrative. Mariupol alone is in vicinity of 100k civilian casualties. Kyiv holds because of air defense and denying ru air superiority by shooting them down. Ukrainians have plenty of issues with invading forces. Plenty. Also, Yalta? What?

holoduke 3y ago
Official UN statement is 1300 death in Maripol. Please do not spread false info. Do some research first before talking. It creates a fake narrative where people fall into. Not good.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  > Official UN statement is 1300 death in Maripol. That's a lie. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-17-22/h_44f071da9d6cc467bc1c322ce18aa481 https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-... > “The actual death toll of hostilities on civilians is likely thousands higher,” UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet said... Bachelet added that right now it is "impossible to know" the exact death toll. Even Russia doesn't think it's that low, and they've reason to want to undercount. https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/12/30/russia-says-3000-civilians-killed-in-mariupol-blames-ukraine https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/12/30/russia-says-3000-c... > Russian officials say that 3,000 civilians were killed in the attack on the Ukrainian city of Mariupol, in Moscow's first estimate of the death toll since the siege several months ago.
  - roenxi 3y ago
    It isn't a lie as such, the UN has an official statement [0] saying that 1,348 people died. It is just an honest and reasonable misinterpretation. But a lot more civilians than that were killed. [0] https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/06/high-commissioner-updates-human-rights-council-mariupol-ukraine https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/06/high-commissione...
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      That’s not a reasonable reading of that statement. > To date, OHCHR has verified 1,348 individual civilian deaths directly in hostilities in Mariupol, including 70 children. These deaths were caused by air strikes, tank and artillery shelling and small arms and light weapons during street fighting. The actual death toll of hostilities on civilians is likely thousands higher. The other comments by the same poster in this thread do not lead to the “honest” conclusion.
      - roenxi 3y ago
        If the UN says "To date, OHCHR has verified 1,348 individual civilian deaths directly in hostilities in Mariupol" and then some dude says "Official UN statement is 1300 death in Maripol" that is an honest reading. It isn't an accurate reading, but if you spend any time at all on the internet you will detect that honest people are often quite inaccurate. And wrong even while being able to back their opinions up with evidence. But it still isn't fair to imply that they are liar, lying or spreading lies. They are just wrong. Happens to literally all of us. Even if hypothetically he was a habitual liar in every other comment he ever made on HN, this is not a showcase of lying.
        ceejayoz 3y ago
        If I tell you I went to a McDonalds potato warehouse, and that I counted twenty potatoes, but "there's a lot left to count", it would not be a reasonable summary of my statement to say that "the warehouse contains twenty potatoes".
        roenxi 3y ago
        But you would have the warped view of reality necessary to operate as a UN official, so you'd have something going for you :) Doesn't affect holoduke though, and he could still honestly quote you as having viewed 20 potatoes.
- gpvos 3y ago
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holoduke 3y ago

Official UN statement is 1300 death in Maripol. Please do not spread false info. Do some research first before talking. It creates a fake narrative where people fall into. Not good.

ceejayoz 3y ago
> Official UN statement is 1300 death in Maripol. That's a lie. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-17-22/h_44f071da9d6cc467bc1c322ce18aa481 https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-... > “The actual death toll of hostilities on civilians is likely thousands higher,” UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet said... Bachelet added that right now it is "impossible to know" the exact death toll. Even Russia doesn't think it's that low, and they've reason to want to undercount. https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/12/30/russia-says-3000-civilians-killed-in-mariupol-blames-ukraine https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/12/30/russia-says-3000-c... > Russian officials say that 3,000 civilians were killed in the attack on the Ukrainian city of Mariupol, in Moscow's first estimate of the death toll since the siege several months ago.
- roenxi 3y ago
  It isn't a lie as such, the UN has an official statement [0] saying that 1,348 people died. It is just an honest and reasonable misinterpretation. But a lot more civilians than that were killed. [0] https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/06/high-commissioner-updates-human-rights-council-mariupol-ukraine https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/06/high-commissione...
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    That’s not a reasonable reading of that statement. > To date, OHCHR has verified 1,348 individual civilian deaths directly in hostilities in Mariupol, including 70 children. These deaths were caused by air strikes, tank and artillery shelling and small arms and light weapons during street fighting. The actual death toll of hostilities on civilians is likely thousands higher. The other comments by the same poster in this thread do not lead to the “honest” conclusion.
    - roenxi 3y ago
      If the UN says "To date, OHCHR has verified 1,348 individual civilian deaths directly in hostilities in Mariupol" and then some dude says "Official UN statement is 1300 death in Maripol" that is an honest reading. It isn't an accurate reading, but if you spend any time at all on the internet you will detect that honest people are often quite inaccurate. And wrong even while being able to back their opinions up with evidence. But it still isn't fair to imply that they are liar, lying or spreading lies. They are just wrong. Happens to literally all of us. Even if hypothetically he was a habitual liar in every other comment he ever made on HN, this is not a showcase of lying.
      - ceejayoz 3y ago
        If I tell you I went to a McDonalds potato warehouse, and that I counted twenty potatoes, but "there's a lot left to count", it would not be a reasonable summary of my statement to say that "the warehouse contains twenty potatoes".
        roenxi 3y ago
        But you would have the warped view of reality necessary to operate as a UN official, so you'd have something going for you :) Doesn't affect holoduke though, and he could still honestly quote you as having viewed 20 potatoes.
gpvos 3y ago
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