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To him this is likely "a mild disagreement" as ukrainian civilians are being actively targeted by Russian missiles. Quite a tone deaf and horrible point of view

by SEJeff 3y ago

To him this is likely "a mild disagreement" as ukrainian civilians are being actively targeted by Russian missiles. Quite a tone deaf and horrible point of view.

holoduke 3y ago
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- midasz 3y ago
  The ICC has arrest warrants out for Putin for his war crimes. I really can't believe you're wilfully this ignorant to say there has been no civilian targetting. How are cluster bombs on cities not pure indiscriminate murder?
  - holoduke 3y ago
    Where are russian cluster bombs on cities happened? I thought the US provided Ukraine with cluster and gave them green light to start.
    - sergeykish 3y ago
      Search video. For example, Kharkiv was targeted by cluster ammunition, that's norm. Moscow terrors to drive out disloyal population, to hinder economy, to distract defenses from the front. "Poland forced Germany to attack" (1939) by Putin, Moscow propaganda supports genocide. Atrocities in Bucha, Izum is result. Relatives? They speak nothing or support "liberation" by occupants.
  - Procrastic 3y ago
    The ICC’s arrest warrant is for evacuating children, not for targeting civilians.
- cheema33 3y ago
  "Otherwise Kiev would be rumbled by now." It is not for lack of trying on part of Russia. They send plenty of missiles in that direction. It's just that Kiev is protected by modern air defenses more than any other Ukrainian city. So far Russia has not hesitated completely destroying relatively large Ukrainian cities. If you need a link to the pictures, let me know.
- attentive 3y ago
  That's quite a russian narrative. Mariupol alone is in vicinity of 100k civilian casualties. Kyiv holds because of air defense and denying ru air superiority by shooting them down. Ukrainians have plenty of issues with invading forces. Plenty. Also, Yalta? What?
  - holoduke 3y ago
    Official UN statement is 1300 death in Maripol. Please do not spread false info. Do some research first before talking. It creates a fake narrative where people fall into. Not good.
    - ceejayoz 3y ago
      > Official UN statement is 1300 death in Maripol. That's a lie. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-17-22/h_44f071da9d6cc467bc1c322ce18aa481 https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-... > “The actual death toll of hostilities on civilians is likely thousands higher,” UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet said... Bachelet added that right now it is "impossible to know" the exact death toll. Even Russia doesn't think it's that low, and they've reason to want to undercount. https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/12/30/russia-says-3000-civilians-killed-in-mariupol-blames-ukraine https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/12/30/russia-says-3000-c... > Russian officials say that 3,000 civilians were killed in the attack on the Ukrainian city of Mariupol, in Moscow's first estimate of the death toll since the siege several months ago.
      - roenxi 3y ago
        It isn't a lie as such, the UN has an official statement [0] saying that 1,348 people died. It is just an honest and reasonable misinterpretation. But a lot more civilians than that were killed. [0] https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/06/high-commissioner-updates-human-rights-council-mariupol-ukraine https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/06/high-commissione...
        3y ago
- gpvos 3y ago
  No, Russia's goal is to keep Ukraine in their sphere of influence and prevent democracy from taking hold there, because if that happens in Ukraine people in Russia might start to think it's possible there as well. Also there are geographical reasons regarding border defense which are somewhat understandable, but overruling the will of the people of Ukraine for that is not considered acceptable anymore in this century. Russia's actions in Bucha, Mariupol and just about everywhere in this war (Cherson during occupation comes to mind) have been horrid, as is its disregard for its own soldiers, many of whom are just used as cannon fodder. Russia is targetting civilians all over the place. Those other wars are horrible too, but comparing them just by number of casualties is disingenious.
- bobsomers 3y ago
  > Yes there are some exceptions like Bucha, Belgorod, Charkov, Yalta or Maripol events It's pretty disgusting to reduce what happened to civilians in those cities to "some exceptions".
- Dosenpfand 3y ago
  > There is no civilian targetting. That's just plain wrong. Please read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_...
attentive 3y ago
That too but I was referring to language differences. Untrained/unexposed russian won't understand UA language. They wouldn't even be able to pronounce it correctly if their life depended on it.
- lostmsu 3y ago
  > Untrained/unexposed russian won't understand UA language. As a Russian who is hosting Ukrainian refugees I can definitely say this is false. I can understand probably around 90% of raw speech in Ukrainian without any support and 0 prior experience.

by SEJeff 3y ago

To him this is likely "a mild disagreement" as ukrainian civilians are being actively targeted by Russian missiles. Quite a tone deaf and horrible point of view.

holoduke 3y ago

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midasz 3y ago
The ICC has arrest warrants out for Putin for his war crimes. I really can't believe you're wilfully this ignorant to say there has been no civilian targetting. How are cluster bombs on cities not pure indiscriminate murder?
- holoduke 3y ago
  Where are russian cluster bombs on cities happened? I thought the US provided Ukraine with cluster and gave them green light to start.
  - sergeykish 3y ago
    Search video. For example, Kharkiv was targeted by cluster ammunition, that's norm. Moscow terrors to drive out disloyal population, to hinder economy, to distract defenses from the front. "Poland forced Germany to attack" (1939) by Putin, Moscow propaganda supports genocide. Atrocities in Bucha, Izum is result. Relatives? They speak nothing or support "liberation" by occupants.
- Procrastic 3y ago
  The ICC’s arrest warrant is for evacuating children, not for targeting civilians.
cheema33 3y ago
"Otherwise Kiev would be rumbled by now." It is not for lack of trying on part of Russia. They send plenty of missiles in that direction. It's just that Kiev is protected by modern air defenses more than any other Ukrainian city. So far Russia has not hesitated completely destroying relatively large Ukrainian cities. If you need a link to the pictures, let me know.
attentive 3y ago
That's quite a russian narrative. Mariupol alone is in vicinity of 100k civilian casualties. Kyiv holds because of air defense and denying ru air superiority by shooting them down. Ukrainians have plenty of issues with invading forces. Plenty. Also, Yalta? What?
- holoduke 3y ago
  Official UN statement is 1300 death in Maripol. Please do not spread false info. Do some research first before talking. It creates a fake narrative where people fall into. Not good.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    > Official UN statement is 1300 death in Maripol. That's a lie. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-17-22/h_44f071da9d6cc467bc1c322ce18aa481 https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-... > “The actual death toll of hostilities on civilians is likely thousands higher,” UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet said... Bachelet added that right now it is "impossible to know" the exact death toll. Even Russia doesn't think it's that low, and they've reason to want to undercount. https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/12/30/russia-says-3000-civilians-killed-in-mariupol-blames-ukraine https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/12/30/russia-says-3000-c... > Russian officials say that 3,000 civilians were killed in the attack on the Ukrainian city of Mariupol, in Moscow's first estimate of the death toll since the siege several months ago.
    - roenxi 3y ago
      It isn't a lie as such, the UN has an official statement [0] saying that 1,348 people died. It is just an honest and reasonable misinterpretation. But a lot more civilians than that were killed. [0] https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/06/high-commissioner-updates-human-rights-council-mariupol-ukraine https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/06/high-commissione...
      - 3y ago
gpvos 3y ago
No, Russia's goal is to keep Ukraine in their sphere of influence and prevent democracy from taking hold there, because if that happens in Ukraine people in Russia might start to think it's possible there as well. Also there are geographical reasons regarding border defense which are somewhat understandable, but overruling the will of the people of Ukraine for that is not considered acceptable anymore in this century. Russia's actions in Bucha, Mariupol and just about everywhere in this war (Cherson during occupation comes to mind) have been horrid, as is its disregard for its own soldiers, many of whom are just used as cannon fodder. Russia is targetting civilians all over the place. Those other wars are horrible too, but comparing them just by number of casualties is disingenious.
bobsomers 3y ago
> Yes there are some exceptions like Bucha, Belgorod, Charkov, Yalta or Maripol events It's pretty disgusting to reduce what happened to civilians in those cities to "some exceptions".
Dosenpfand 3y ago
> There is no civilian targetting. That's just plain wrong. Please read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_...

attentive 3y ago

That too but I was referring to language differences. Untrained/unexposed russian won't understand UA language. They wouldn't even be able to pronounce it correctly if their life depended on it.

lostmsu 3y ago
> Untrained/unexposed russian won't understand UA language. As a Russian who is hosting Ukrainian refugees I can definitely say this is false. I can understand probably around 90% of raw speech in Ukrainian without any support and 0 prior experience.