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This string of lawsuits are mostly failing though — what does that say about "democracy" (aka mob rule)?

dctoedt 3y ago
Hitler was convicted. Democracy ≠ mob rule.
unethical_ban 3y ago
Verifiably false unless your source of information is Jesse Watters or similarly disingenuous ilk. These trials have barely begun because the former president is desperate to get into power before a verdict can be handed down (classified documents and Georgia case). He's already been found guilty of insurrection by a state court, and the SCOTUS hasn't argued against it. They are only deciding if a state is allowed to remove someone from the ballot on charges of insurrection. The former president's attempt to evade prosecution by claiming total immunity (laughable in a democracy) has failed. So no. Valid cases against the former president are not failing. They are taking place.
- docmars 3y ago
  >Jesse Watters or similarly disingenuous ilk A valid source for millions of people, if you aren't politically motivated against him or related sources, of course — which is the case here. This is not a democracy, despite what the silly Progressives want to believe. Playing pretend is commonplace, of course. We are a Constitutional Republic and always have been. Democracy, as we're using it here, is an illusion of choice. Yes, we vote, but that doesn't define us as a democracy. We elect representatives to make informed choices on our behalf. You nor I have any direct impact on our laws or leadership — it's just the facts. Burning, looting, rioting, and abuse of the legal system is how democracy is defined by Progressives because their policies can't be successful without some form of subversion, demoralization, and unfair play. Hence, democracy as declared here is synonymous with mob rule.
  - unethical_ban 3y ago
    >(Jesse Watters) A valid source for millions of people If a million people were to listen to someone who tells them the sky is red and Churchill was a Nazi, then a million people are wrong. Being wrong on the fact is not a matter of opinion. The man is a bad person because he lies, factually, constantly. He has no interest in the truth, or driving debate, or finding common ground. Pardon me. We were talking about how the former president is the reason his trials keep getting delayed, not because they are without merit. You went off on a tangent. I never discussed the imperfect nature of our government, the degree to which votes matter or translate into particular action. The moment I challenged your assertion that the former president is a victim, you pivoted to amorphous comments about democracy vs. republic, conflating political beliefs around Progressivism with methods you feel they deploy, and so on. What in the hell does that have to do with the discussion about Trump's numerous indictments? What you've done is called the gish-gallop, FYI. In case you wonder: I'm 35, live in Texas and work in cybersecurity. I'm a real person who got a degree, reads some news, and tries to think about the nature of problems and how they can be solved. Where common ground can be found. I value free speech, the rule of law and the idea that there is always work to do to make our society and government better. I like this country. I happen to be liberal. I assume you too are real, and I hope you have similar values, if not the "liberal" part.
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CyberDildonics 3y ago
Do you see any irony to posting this at almost exactly the same time as the $355 million fraud ruling was announced? https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-new-york-fraud-verdict-criminal-trials-rcna139002 https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-new-york-f... Where do you normally get your news that is telling you these things? You have a lot of claims in your comments, but I haven't seen any evidence.
- docmars 3y ago
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  - CyberDildonics 3y ago
    You realize he already owes 443 million dollars and improper behavior by a prosecutor doesn't exonerate him from his 91 indictments right? Arguing about this is a little silly, but what would actually be interesting is for you to link where you get your news.
    - docmars 3y ago
      Trump practically made $4 billion today with the DWAC merger getting the nod to proceed. This "fine" is nothing.
      - CyberDildonics 3y ago
        Your claim above was This string of lawsuits are mostly failing though. What does this have to do with that claim when the last two lawsuits have ended in both guilt and substantial judgements?
        docmars 3y ago
        Enjoy! https://youtu.be/wXMqpU5DZyo?si=Je1YJYodpv4JQRPv https://youtu.be/wXMqpU5DZyo?si=Je1YJYodpv4JQRPv

Hitler was convicted. Democracy ≠ mob rule.

Verifiably false unless your source of information is Jesse Watters or similarly disingenuous ilk. These trials have barely begun because the former president is desperate to get into power before a verdict can be handed down (classified documents and Georgia case). He's already been found guilty of insurrection by a state court, and the SCOTUS hasn't argued against it. They are only deciding if a state is allowed to remove someone from the ballot on charges of insurrection. The former president's attempt to evade prosecution by claiming total immunity (laughable in a democracy) has failed. So no. Valid cases against the former president are not failing. They are taking place.

docmars 3y ago
>Jesse Watters or similarly disingenuous ilk A valid source for millions of people, if you aren't politically motivated against him or related sources, of course — which is the case here. This is not a democracy, despite what the silly Progressives want to believe. Playing pretend is commonplace, of course. We are a Constitutional Republic and always have been. Democracy, as we're using it here, is an illusion of choice. Yes, we vote, but that doesn't define us as a democracy. We elect representatives to make informed choices on our behalf. You nor I have any direct impact on our laws or leadership — it's just the facts. Burning, looting, rioting, and abuse of the legal system is how democracy is defined by Progressives because their policies can't be successful without some form of subversion, demoralization, and unfair play. Hence, democracy as declared here is synonymous with mob rule.
- unethical_ban 3y ago
  >(Jesse Watters) A valid source for millions of people If a million people were to listen to someone who tells them the sky is red and Churchill was a Nazi, then a million people are wrong. Being wrong on the fact is not a matter of opinion. The man is a bad person because he lies, factually, constantly. He has no interest in the truth, or driving debate, or finding common ground. Pardon me. We were talking about how the former president is the reason his trials keep getting delayed, not because they are without merit. You went off on a tangent. I never discussed the imperfect nature of our government, the degree to which votes matter or translate into particular action. The moment I challenged your assertion that the former president is a victim, you pivoted to amorphous comments about democracy vs. republic, conflating political beliefs around Progressivism with methods you feel they deploy, and so on. What in the hell does that have to do with the discussion about Trump's numerous indictments? What you've done is called the gish-gallop, FYI. In case you wonder: I'm 35, live in Texas and work in cybersecurity. I'm a real person who got a degree, reads some news, and tries to think about the nature of problems and how they can be solved. Where common ground can be found. I value free speech, the rule of law and the idea that there is always work to do to make our society and government better. I like this country. I happen to be liberal. I assume you too are real, and I hope you have similar values, if not the "liberal" part.
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CyberDildonics 3y ago

Do you see any irony to posting this at almost exactly the same time as the $355 million fraud ruling was announced? https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-new-york-fraud-verdict-criminal-trials-rcna139002 https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-new-york-f... Where do you normally get your news that is telling you these things? You have a lot of claims in your comments, but I haven't seen any evidence.

docmars 3y ago
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- CyberDildonics 3y ago
  You realize he already owes 443 million dollars and improper behavior by a prosecutor doesn't exonerate him from his 91 indictments right? Arguing about this is a little silly, but what would actually be interesting is for you to link where you get your news.
  - docmars 3y ago
    Trump practically made $4 billion today with the DWAC merger getting the nod to proceed. This "fine" is nothing.
    - CyberDildonics 3y ago
      Your claim above was This string of lawsuits are mostly failing though. What does this have to do with that claim when the last two lawsuits have ended in both guilt and substantial judgements?
      - docmars 3y ago
        Enjoy! https://youtu.be/wXMqpU5DZyo?si=Je1YJYodpv4JQRPv https://youtu.be/wXMqpU5DZyo?si=Je1YJYodpv4JQRPv