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Have you noticed how you don't argue any of my points? All you do is resort to calling me a useful idiot, building strawman arguments (like accusing me of accep

Have you noticed how you don't argue any of my points? All you do is resort to calling me a useful idiot, building strawman arguments (like accusing me of accepting Putins claim of denazification, while I myself have mentioned it's all about Crimea, always was) or claiming I'm spreading Russian propaganda. I make a point of only sticking to what is verifiable in mainstream sources to avoid these kinds of useless accusations. You have a very condescending and unnecessary tone, but make very few points yourself. Why is that? You claim since you are in Ukraine (I call bullshit but whatever) you have better sources than me, I doubt it. Any source that would put Kiev in a bad light is regarded as traitors and jailed. Like that blogger was recently for example. So honest reporting from within Ukraine forget about it. Even western media has stopped trying to paint the beautiful picture Zelensky is. How many more Ukrainians are you willing to let die for NATOs cause? Are you fighting? To the last Ukrainian like Zelensky wants? For who? Why? Your comment here doesn't make me unsee the civilians being killed between 2014-2022. This is not demoralization, you should've realized the west are vile scum from the get go and should've never trusted us. We use our puppets as long as they're useful, then we stage a coup or oust them ourselves. I've said I've wanted NATO to enter openly even after Euromaidan, before 2022. Because even then it was obvious what this was all about. > What disgusts me the most is that you seem to be unable to cede on the point that what russia did is wrong. You even mention that brutalities are okay because apparently, somebody else did them in the past. Russia invading is okay because trump/saddam/elites in the west/euromaidan/crimean fleet/azov battalion/whatever other shit you gobbled up on the internet. But hey, you are a pacifist. Why are you lying about my claims? Never said anything even close to that. Is there a problem with your reading comprehension? A language barrier? How can I be clearer than I've been in the last 15 comments? It's getting exhausting to repeat myself. This could've been stopped anytime in the last 20-30 years. Ukraine wasn't even a country back when this all started. You're reacting now that Russia finally bites back, but all the pushing for half a century you ignore. That doesn't mean it's right, but it's expected and logical. We played and keep playing a part. How come only our side is allowed to be afraid, to expand and play power games? A leads to B leads to C. Simple logic. Is there some kind of natural law that says we always have to be at war with the east? How about we take the first step and try something else for once?

dindobre 3y ago
>Have you noticed how you don't argue any of my points? Your points are all non-falsifiable and are the checklist of russians propaganda (here I'm ignoring the ramblings about trump, saddam, etc.). You mentioned NATO expansion, Azov, "ethnic russians" being threathened, CIA coup, gonzalo lira, and so forth. You forgot to mention biolabs. I use a condescending tone because I eventually realized this was a lost cause and I'm just writing an answer for whoever lost soul ends up reading this thread. Here's proof I'm in Ukraine, it's some random shit and a corner of my residential card. I'd rather not take a picture of my passport because it would show my nationality, which is Western but which I'd rather not disclose unnecessarily. https://imgur.com/a/dGR5rro https://imgur.com/a/dGR5rro >you should've realized the west are vile scum >Ukraine wasn't even a country back when this all started >Russia finally bites back, but all the pushing for half a century you ignore Doesn't get more pacifist than that. This is a worthless discussion, let's just stop. I've taken a look at your comment history and you seem very deeply involved into american polarizing politics like heads having to roll because of COVID lockdowns, I quote, "Heads have to roll". I'm convinced that what happened with COVID was stupid and government people should be more accountable for the fuck up, but looking at your post history you are a prime example of what Yuri Bezmenov was talking about. I bet you are this close to writing that the USA needs a revolution.
- worksonmine 3y ago
  You don't seem to know what falsifiable means. Pick up a map, look at when NATO countries joined, and you'll see the so called non-falsifiable expansion. It's easy to call me a liar, Putin apologist, and everything else, but difficult to dispute. Notice I haven't called you a single thing, I use my logic and reasoning. Since you ask, I think the entire world needs a revolution, but a real one, not a color revolution funded by billionaires with agendas. Very few people are living like gods and they do it on the backs of the rest of the world. I'm allowed to be angry about that. Don't miss the real problem by focusing on the problems they want you to focus on. The elite in Russia/China etc are of course also in this.
  - Gibbon1 3y ago
    > I think the entire world needs a revolution It's too bad cause it looks like Putin isn't going to be around to help purify the world.

dindobre 3y ago

>Have you noticed how you don't argue any of my points? Your points are all non-falsifiable and are the checklist of russians propaganda (here I'm ignoring the ramblings about trump, saddam, etc.). You mentioned NATO expansion, Azov, "ethnic russians" being threathened, CIA coup, gonzalo lira, and so forth. You forgot to mention biolabs. I use a condescending tone because I eventually realized this was a lost cause and I'm just writing an answer for whoever lost soul ends up reading this thread. Here's proof I'm in Ukraine, it's some random shit and a corner of my residential card. I'd rather not take a picture of my passport because it would show my nationality, which is Western but which I'd rather not disclose unnecessarily. https://imgur.com/a/dGR5rro https://imgur.com/a/dGR5rro >you should've realized the west are vile scum >Ukraine wasn't even a country back when this all started >Russia finally bites back, but all the pushing for half a century you ignore Doesn't get more pacifist than that. This is a worthless discussion, let's just stop. I've taken a look at your comment history and you seem very deeply involved into american polarizing politics like heads having to roll because of COVID lockdowns, I quote, "Heads have to roll". I'm convinced that what happened with COVID was stupid and government people should be more accountable for the fuck up, but looking at your post history you are a prime example of what Yuri Bezmenov was talking about. I bet you are this close to writing that the USA needs a revolution.

worksonmine 3y ago
You don't seem to know what falsifiable means. Pick up a map, look at when NATO countries joined, and you'll see the so called non-falsifiable expansion. It's easy to call me a liar, Putin apologist, and everything else, but difficult to dispute. Notice I haven't called you a single thing, I use my logic and reasoning. Since you ask, I think the entire world needs a revolution, but a real one, not a color revolution funded by billionaires with agendas. Very few people are living like gods and they do it on the backs of the rest of the world. I'm allowed to be angry about that. Don't miss the real problem by focusing on the problems they want you to focus on. The elite in Russia/China etc are of course also in this.
- Gibbon1 3y ago
  > I think the entire world needs a revolution It's too bad cause it looks like Putin isn't going to be around to help purify the world.