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Your argument is similar to the classic hand vs. power tools argument in crafting, which eventually boils down to "did you mine the ore and forge the tools your

Your argument is similar to the classic hand vs. power tools argument in crafting, which eventually boils down to "did you mine the ore and forge the tools yourself?" Nowadays the argument is about CNC vs. hand crafting. This is just a point in our overall evolution. It's an exciting time. We are here to learn and adapt. Humans can still be creative all they want. There's still the stamp of "created by a human" that will never go away. You can choose to respect it or ignore it.

eric_cc 3y ago
> will never go away Nothing is forever. It’s unlikely unmodified Homo sapiens are dominant on earth 1,000 years from now.
d0mine 3y ago
> never go away It reminds me: centaurs (human+AI) in chess/go were better than either humans or AI just for a short time. People still play chess but they are outclassed by modern AI.
- halinc 3y ago
  True, but while the 'best' chess is played by computers, few people care to watch Stockfish playing with itself. Meanwhile the human-powered chess world is enjoying a surge in popularity.
- j-wags 3y ago
  > centaurs (human+AI) in chess/go were better than either humans or AI just for a short time. I was having a conversation about this with a friend last weekend, and we'd assumed that centaurs were still better than either top humans or top computers. I'm unable to easily find this info on google, could you share where you saw that centaurs are no longer better than top computers?
  - d0mine 3y ago
    I saw it here, perhaps, in articles about competitions where both humans and computers were allowed (computers-only teams won). I too can’t find anything relevant on google.
mihaic 3y ago
I see a shallow analogy that isn't true to me on close inspection. To me, human activities from which we can earn a living wage feels like nomadism as the edge of an ever expanding region of agriculture (technological automation in this case). When you lose some activities to automation, we've always found new ones until now. In the end though, there were no more pastures for nomads to move, and there will be no more new activities from which humans can earn a wage (not to mention the satisfaction of accomplishing something hard). And, while there might be a future with UBI for everyone, the transition seems rough and exploitative.

eric_cc 3y ago

> will never go away Nothing is forever. It’s unlikely unmodified Homo sapiens are dominant on earth 1,000 years from now.

d0mine 3y ago

> never go away It reminds me: centaurs (human+AI) in chess/go were better than either humans or AI just for a short time. People still play chess but they are outclassed by modern AI.

halinc 3y ago
True, but while the 'best' chess is played by computers, few people care to watch Stockfish playing with itself. Meanwhile the human-powered chess world is enjoying a surge in popularity.
j-wags 3y ago
> centaurs (human+AI) in chess/go were better than either humans or AI just for a short time. I was having a conversation about this with a friend last weekend, and we'd assumed that centaurs were still better than either top humans or top computers. I'm unable to easily find this info on google, could you share where you saw that centaurs are no longer better than top computers?
- d0mine 3y ago
  I saw it here, perhaps, in articles about competitions where both humans and computers were allowed (computers-only teams won). I too can’t find anything relevant on google.

mihaic 3y ago

I see a shallow analogy that isn't true to me on close inspection. To me, human activities from which we can earn a living wage feels like nomadism as the edge of an ever expanding region of agriculture (technological automation in this case). When you lose some activities to automation, we've always found new ones until now. In the end though, there were no more pastures for nomads to move, and there will be no more new activities from which humans can earn a wage (not to mention the satisfaction of accomplishing something hard). And, while there might be a future with UBI for everyone, the transition seems rough and exploitative.