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personal freedoms (should) end when they impinge on others health and safety

lnxg33k1 3y ago
I feel like smokers are just there taking shit for everyone, cmon guys you live in cities filled by smog and chemicals and asbestos, but when it comes to smokers “omg the devil”
- metabagel 3y ago
  I’ve long thought that smokers consider the whole world to be their ashtray.
  - bill_joy_fanboy 3y ago
    Q: Why do you always find cigarette butts littered all over the place? A: Because people who smoke are the same people who litter.
- inglor_cz 3y ago
  "cmon guys you live in cities filled by smog and chemicals and asbestos" That sounds like rationalization of your own actions. Sure, the environment in cities isn't pristine, but it is a lot better than several decades ago, and multiple bans on noxious substances were needed to clean the air up a bit. When my mother was a kid (1950s), smog was so severe that street lamps had to be lit during the day. Ah, the beauty of burning coal in the middle of a city without any filters. Maybe, if you are a smoker, you are just so used to smoke that you don't realize how disgusting it is for non-smokers. A friend of mine quit and, after a few months, as his sense of smell slowly came back from the dead, sincerely apologized to everyone else for smoking around us. He said that he, as a smoker, just didn't realize how pungent and revolting the smell of tobacco smoke is to others.
  - lnxg33k1 3y ago
    I also quit smoking and started to feel its disgusting, but its my issue, i dont expect the world to change to accomodate my sense of smell, and surely wont say lets put those who annoy me in small delimited areas
    - inglor_cz 3y ago
      One of the directions in which civilization is slowly developing is cleanliness. Once upon a time, people threw all sorts of garbage in the streets, including rat carcasses and what have you. It was the norm and people complaining about it were considered sissies. In the 1900s, this was already beyond the pale, but "everyone" was fine with black soot from coal-fired furnaces covering everything, and with car engines smelling to high heavens. Nowadays we don't tolerate either, so smokers are starting to be targeted.
- sonicanatidae 3y ago
  This is exactly what it is, because smokers are within reach, while the people doing the genuine damage are not. Smoking is not healthy and smokers should be considerate of others when engaging, but let's be real about it.
- itishappy 3y ago
  I'm upset about smog and asbestos too. They're not exclusive.
Toorkit 3y ago
You're breathing in car fumes all day, a bit of smoke from 5 meters away isn't much worse.
- pixelpoet 3y ago
  The floodgates don't automatically open for every possible unhealthy thing, just because we're already getting exposed to one thing. Isn't this a classic logical fallacy / plain obvious? If you break your leg, is it okay for someone to punch you? I mean, it's way less damage than you've already sustained, right...
  - sonicanatidae 3y ago
    The fallacy here is one of equating smokers with corporations who pump out 1000s of times more damaging chemicals than smokers do. Smokers should be considerate, that's a given, but you're arguing a false premise with hyperbole.
  - lnxg33k1 3y ago
    I'd read it as if you had your leg broken, but would be complaining and trying to solve an itch on your arm, I understand people want to be healthy, but starting from the least dangerous, if you're exposed to chemicals 24 hrs without doing anything, why do you get so Robespierre when it comes to smokers
    - pixelpoet 3y ago
      > I understand people want to be healthy You're overcomplicating it, it's not about that, it's simply fuck them for flagrantly smoking right in my face. It's literally a physical assault, and entirely "optional" / their choice to not give a fuck about anyone else. There's a huge range of possible things like this people could do to each other which is simply not okay out of basic consideration for others / not being a massive dick. What if I decided I like the smell of some other chemical that's bad for you / proven carcinogen etc, and open this up on a busy train platform. Do I then get to argue technicalities about other unhealthy things too? What if everyone did this? Is this the point we've reached in society, where we want to argue our right to do such things to each other? Purely out of choice, not even some necessity...

I feel like smokers are just there taking shit for everyone, cmon guys you live in cities filled by smog and chemicals and asbestos, but when it comes to smokers “omg the devil”

metabagel 3y ago
I’ve long thought that smokers consider the whole world to be their ashtray.
- bill_joy_fanboy 3y ago
  Q: Why do you always find cigarette butts littered all over the place? A: Because people who smoke are the same people who litter.
inglor_cz 3y ago
"cmon guys you live in cities filled by smog and chemicals and asbestos" That sounds like rationalization of your own actions. Sure, the environment in cities isn't pristine, but it is a lot better than several decades ago, and multiple bans on noxious substances were needed to clean the air up a bit. When my mother was a kid (1950s), smog was so severe that street lamps had to be lit during the day. Ah, the beauty of burning coal in the middle of a city without any filters. Maybe, if you are a smoker, you are just so used to smoke that you don't realize how disgusting it is for non-smokers. A friend of mine quit and, after a few months, as his sense of smell slowly came back from the dead, sincerely apologized to everyone else for smoking around us. He said that he, as a smoker, just didn't realize how pungent and revolting the smell of tobacco smoke is to others.
- lnxg33k1 3y ago
  I also quit smoking and started to feel its disgusting, but its my issue, i dont expect the world to change to accomodate my sense of smell, and surely wont say lets put those who annoy me in small delimited areas
  - inglor_cz 3y ago
    One of the directions in which civilization is slowly developing is cleanliness. Once upon a time, people threw all sorts of garbage in the streets, including rat carcasses and what have you. It was the norm and people complaining about it were considered sissies. In the 1900s, this was already beyond the pale, but "everyone" was fine with black soot from coal-fired furnaces covering everything, and with car engines smelling to high heavens. Nowadays we don't tolerate either, so smokers are starting to be targeted.
sonicanatidae 3y ago
This is exactly what it is, because smokers are within reach, while the people doing the genuine damage are not. Smoking is not healthy and smokers should be considerate of others when engaging, but let's be real about it.
itishappy 3y ago
I'm upset about smog and asbestos too. They're not exclusive.

Toorkit 3y ago

You're breathing in car fumes all day, a bit of smoke from 5 meters away isn't much worse.

pixelpoet 3y ago
The floodgates don't automatically open for every possible unhealthy thing, just because we're already getting exposed to one thing. Isn't this a classic logical fallacy / plain obvious? If you break your leg, is it okay for someone to punch you? I mean, it's way less damage than you've already sustained, right...
- sonicanatidae 3y ago
  The fallacy here is one of equating smokers with corporations who pump out 1000s of times more damaging chemicals than smokers do. Smokers should be considerate, that's a given, but you're arguing a false premise with hyperbole.
- lnxg33k1 3y ago
  I'd read it as if you had your leg broken, but would be complaining and trying to solve an itch on your arm, I understand people want to be healthy, but starting from the least dangerous, if you're exposed to chemicals 24 hrs without doing anything, why do you get so Robespierre when it comes to smokers
  - pixelpoet 3y ago
    > I understand people want to be healthy You're overcomplicating it, it's not about that, it's simply fuck them for flagrantly smoking right in my face. It's literally a physical assault, and entirely "optional" / their choice to not give a fuck about anyone else. There's a huge range of possible things like this people could do to each other which is simply not okay out of basic consideration for others / not being a massive dick. What if I decided I like the smell of some other chemical that's bad for you / proven carcinogen etc, and open this up on a busy train platform. Do I then get to argue technicalities about other unhealthy things too? What if everyone did this? Is this the point we've reached in society, where we want to argue our right to do such things to each other? Purely out of choice, not even some necessity...