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I switched full time from Google to Kagi last month and it's been an improvement, or at worst a neutral change. There was a frustrating period of adjustment as

I switched full time from Google to Kagi last month and it's been an improvement, or at worst a neutral change. There was a frustrating period of adjustment as I had to learn what Kagi's limitations and quirks were. Google has them too but I've long since learned how to compensate for them. Now I know Kagi's. These integrations with other services and specific data are remarkably useful. Glad to see more! One weak spot of Kagi for me is their local / maps search. It's Apple Maps which is still not as good as Google Maps. But moreso Google Local has become a very strong product with a unique database. Nothing stopping me from using Google for local business info when I need it though.

rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago
I wish services like Kagi and others would make it easier to contribute to OSM so more people would update places information (like business names, opening hours, etc). It doesn't help to rely on Apple Maps when everyone can contribute to OSM directly. It's also easy to make it accessible enough (but not to much to avoid trolls) just to increase OSM contributors base. That's what Kagi does with their Wikipedia oneboxes and I regularly open the article to correct it when I notice an issue. I wish Kago (and others) would do that with places, so we can avoid opening the Maps tab to have quick place info.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  Disagree. It is up to the businesses to send their up to date information to map providers, because it is in their direct interest that customers find them. If they're too lazy and cheap to do that, then it is their problem that they get fewer customers. They shouldn't rely on free labour and you shouldn't do this for free for them. If they don't know how to put their info on a map, then they should hire an agency that does. Imagine being a business owner and ignoring the very basics...
  - thiht 3y ago
    Business owners: "everyone uses Google Maps". That’s it.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      That's it. And still they don't bother to take care of their properties on Google Maps. Most won't even bother to submit their stuff to Apple Maps. The thing is: Submitting your info costs nothing in money and almost none of your time, but brings enormous benefits in bringing in customers. So if the business owner is too lazy to do it, why should anybody else do it? If you submit correct info for your favourite local business to a map service, that might bring them thousands of new customers and the revenue from them. Then go to them and tell them you'd like a coffee since you put their info neatly into the maps. They'd probably spit in your face. Then turn around and pay thousands for Google Ads or for a local social media influencer to bring in 50 new customers. Business owners being dumb about their internet presence is why for example Booking.com is a hundred billion dollar company.

rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago

I wish services like Kagi and others would make it easier to contribute to OSM so more people would update places information (like business names, opening hours, etc). It doesn't help to rely on Apple Maps when everyone can contribute to OSM directly. It's also easy to make it accessible enough (but not to much to avoid trolls) just to increase OSM contributors base. That's what Kagi does with their Wikipedia oneboxes and I regularly open the article to correct it when I notice an issue. I wish Kago (and others) would do that with places, so we can avoid opening the Maps tab to have quick place info.

carlosjobim 3y ago
Disagree. It is up to the businesses to send their up to date information to map providers, because it is in their direct interest that customers find them. If they're too lazy and cheap to do that, then it is their problem that they get fewer customers. They shouldn't rely on free labour and you shouldn't do this for free for them. If they don't know how to put their info on a map, then they should hire an agency that does. Imagine being a business owner and ignoring the very basics...
- thiht 3y ago
  Business owners: "everyone uses Google Maps". That’s it.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    That's it. And still they don't bother to take care of their properties on Google Maps. Most won't even bother to submit their stuff to Apple Maps. The thing is: Submitting your info costs nothing in money and almost none of your time, but brings enormous benefits in bringing in customers. So if the business owner is too lazy to do it, why should anybody else do it? If you submit correct info for your favourite local business to a map service, that might bring them thousands of new customers and the revenue from them. Then go to them and tell them you'd like a coffee since you put their info neatly into the maps. They'd probably spit in your face. Then turn around and pay thousands for Google Ads or for a local social media influencer to bring in 50 new customers. Business owners being dumb about their internet presence is why for example Booking.com is a hundred billion dollar company.