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I think that bickering over a code of conduct before anyone has even written any code is a potential sign of a project that's not going to be healthy. It's not

by dave78 3y ago

I think that bickering over a code of conduct before anyone has even written any code is a potential sign of a project that's not going to be healthy. It's not a guarantee, but it's a big deal to switch to a new system so I wanted to be cautious. And as for "maybe it's not for you", I agree and that's what I stated. I wanted to bring it to the attention of other potential users who may also feel that it's not for them either.

mplewis 3y ago
As someone who’s built a community code of conduct from scratch, you have to discuss what everyone thinks is important to come to consensus. Reducing this critical discourse to “bickering” indicates to me that you’re not the right person to be a part of that process.
- dave78 3y ago
  I have no interest in being part of that process at all. I'm not sure what the point of your response even is. I was evaluating Forgejo as a potential replacement for my Gitlab instance. What I saw was a very young project that was already completely wrapped around the axle with drama an infighting. I made a decision to pass it by because to me, this represents a high risk of a project that will implode under its own weight. I hope I'm wrong, because I'd like to see some sort of Gogs/Gitea-like project succeed. Years ago I checked out Gogs and it was interesting but not quite ready. More recently I just about pulled the plug on moving to Gitea, but then the mess with ownership happened. Forgejo was announced and so I checked it out, but didn't like what I saw. You may have a different opinion of the importance of these issues (or disagreement over whether they're issues at all) and I respect that. I'm simply sharing mine.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  But the bickering is bad. It's almost always a clique of mostly white, mostly upper middle class, who have a lot of time on their hands and that are more familiar with how to "play" the culture. Whenever I hear about a project with permanent COC bickering and enforcing and blablabla, I just know exactly the demographic that will be part of said project. It cannot be more off-putting for non western devs and contributors if they tried.
analognoise 3y ago
After clicking “edited” and reading the original messages it’s very clear it’s not a healthy project; no code or further investigation necessary. Thanks for pointing this out and potentially saving people the trouble.

by dave78 3y ago

mplewis 3y ago

As someone who’s built a community code of conduct from scratch, you have to discuss what everyone thinks is important to come to consensus. Reducing this critical discourse to “bickering” indicates to me that you’re not the right person to be a part of that process.

dave78 3y ago
I have no interest in being part of that process at all. I'm not sure what the point of your response even is. I was evaluating Forgejo as a potential replacement for my Gitlab instance. What I saw was a very young project that was already completely wrapped around the axle with drama an infighting. I made a decision to pass it by because to me, this represents a high risk of a project that will implode under its own weight. I hope I'm wrong, because I'd like to see some sort of Gogs/Gitea-like project succeed. Years ago I checked out Gogs and it was interesting but not quite ready. More recently I just about pulled the plug on moving to Gitea, but then the mess with ownership happened. Forgejo was announced and so I checked it out, but didn't like what I saw. You may have a different opinion of the importance of these issues (or disagreement over whether they're issues at all) and I respect that. I'm simply sharing mine.
mardifoufs 3y ago
But the bickering is bad. It's almost always a clique of mostly white, mostly upper middle class, who have a lot of time on their hands and that are more familiar with how to "play" the culture. Whenever I hear about a project with permanent COC bickering and enforcing and blablabla, I just know exactly the demographic that will be part of said project. It cannot be more off-putting for non western devs and contributors if they tried.

analognoise 3y ago

After clicking “edited” and reading the original messages it’s very clear it’s not a healthy project; no code or further investigation necessary. Thanks for pointing this out and potentially saving people the trouble.