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Martyrdom. Navalny calculated that this process would be watched and documented through to the very end. He hoped that might be significant, perhaps even suffi

Martyrdom. Navalny calculated that this process would be watched and documented through to the very end. He hoped that might be significant, perhaps even sufficient.

sparrowInHand 3y ago
And now it was used by putin to overshadow ukraine-maidan day. The message is clear. Ukraine is just sideshow, murdered oppossition in mainland, is main-show.
082349872349872 3y ago
in memoriam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpuBgLBrhfo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpuBgLBrhfo > Только синие они и не крапа золота.
BrandoElFollito 3y ago
He will be forgotten in a week, at least by the West. Do you remember the guy who flew over Belarus and his plane was redirected to seize him? Any news? I do not even remember his name. Going back to Russia was a stupid move, he could have had much more visibility from the EU.
- jjtheblunt 3y ago
  Matthias Rust? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust
- jakub_g 3y ago
  Raman Pratasevich / Roman Protasevich. He was pardoned by Lukashenka last year, since then there was little news, but this week he showed up in a video stream. I found out in Polish media, was very hard to find an English article about it, found just one: https://www.txtreport.com/life/2024-02-14-%22i-ve-built-the-right-tactics-%22-raman-pratasevich-answered-journalists--questions-in-the-stream.S113tj5ia.html https://www.txtreport.com/life/2024-02-14-%22i-ve-built-the-... Lukashenka is not better than Putin, many oppositionists are rotting in prisons, but for some reason (young age?) he let Roman go, probably after some devil's deal.
- jszymborski 3y ago
  I can assure you I will never forget the name. Not all bravery is stupid. When people point to so-called inevitabilities of human character, as Putin and his ilk often do, I'll recall Navalny's name. I'll also recall the victories that were only possible thanks to people of similar courage. Things looked as helpess for Václav Havel, but without him we wouldn't have had the Velvet Revolution. I remember their names.
  - saiya-jin 3y ago
    Imagine what these people could have done if they weren't at this point... just names that few, even of many few will remember. Ask the same question in a decade.
  - m_fayer 3y ago
    Thanks for this.
- Qwertious 3y ago
  >Do you remember the guy who flew over Belarus and his plane was redirected to seize him? Any news? I do not even remember his name. Prigozhin, technically?
- askvictor 3y ago
  | He will be forgotten in a week, at least by the West. He wasn't doing that for the amusement of the West; he was doing it for the Russians.
  - maxlamb 3y ago
    Sadly it will have as much of an impact on the Russians as any political martyr in any past dictatorship. And that is, almost certainly nothing.
    - gustavus 3y ago
      Maybe, but maybe not. Once there was a young man who became a martyr under an autocratic and bloodthirsty regime, this young man's name was Alexander Lenin. Although his death was not circulated in the newspapers, or widely known by many, there was one man who was changed by his death, his brother Vladamir, and his brother Vladmir did quite a bit to change the course of Russian history.
      - lobocinza 3y ago
        "Vladmir did quite a bit to change the course of Russian history"... for worse. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror
- mbs159 3y ago
  In the Baltics at least people are still talking about Protasevich. There are other countries in the West besides the US.
mynameisnoone 3y ago
Yes. Unfortunately, he miscalculated and threw his life away by failing to appreciate the conditions. Similar to standing in front of a tank in Tiananmen Square, this was and now proved to be a ineffective and futile act in a country whose populace refuses to stand up to Putin, oppression, or corruption. It's likely Putin will continue to be the de facto "elected" dictator of Russia until he dies and his oligarch pals replace him with someone equally terrible. The Russian people lack the will, organization, and moral courage to overthrow their klepto-plutocrat dictator.
- nuker 3y ago
  > The Russian people lack the will, organization, and moral courage to overthrow their klepto-plutocrat dictator. They lack secure communication tools in the first place. I believe Telegram is backdoored by FSB and Whatsapp just bent over without fight.
  - computerfriend 3y ago
    In what way did WhatsApp bend over?
    - nuker 3y ago
      They provided data on request. We can never know for sure how much. Another fresh data: https://archive.is/xGihD https://archive.is/xGihD
  - walteweiss 3y ago
    To Russians, it’s always someone else who is responsible. The will, organisation, and moral courage come first. Lack of secure communication comes after that. If Russians had any of that, they won’t even need the communication means in the first place, to overthrow their dictator. When there’s a mass of people enough to fight the regime, the regime won’t even fight. They only fight the battles they believe they can easily win. The truth is, Russians are, en masse, don’t care or even support all that. Those folks aren’t on Hacker News, they aren’t in any English-speaking communities as well. They barely speak even their own (complicated enough) language. The so-called ‘liberal’ Russians try to persuade us that Russians en-masse don’t support all that, ’Putin’s war‘ they say [1], etc. But there are literally hundreds of thousands of Russian fight against Ukraine right now, and there are 400,000 dead [2]. They are Russians, aren’t they? Russians have the very long history of wars they started on their neighbours. Is it Telegram being (possibly) backdoored or lack of Signal being too popular among Russians that stops them from growing in-house dictators and other murderers? [1] As a very simple illustration, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39395697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39395697 [2] You may need a translator for this, casualties is the first number: https://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2024/02/16/za-dobu-sili-oboroni-ukraini-znishhili-1210-rosijskih-okupantiv-21-artsistemu-voroga-%E2%80%92-genshtab-zsu/ https://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2024/02/16/za-dobu-sili-oboroni-...

Martyrdom. Navalny calculated that this process would be watched and documented through to the very end. He hoped that might be significant, perhaps even sufficient.

sparrowInHand 3y ago

And now it was used by putin to overshadow ukraine-maidan day. The message is clear. Ukraine is just sideshow, murdered oppossition in mainland, is main-show.

082349872349872 3y ago

in memoriam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpuBgLBrhfo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpuBgLBrhfo > Только синие они и не крапа золота.

BrandoElFollito 3y ago

He will be forgotten in a week, at least by the West. Do you remember the guy who flew over Belarus and his plane was redirected to seize him? Any news? I do not even remember his name. Going back to Russia was a stupid move, he could have had much more visibility from the EU.

jjtheblunt 3y ago
Matthias Rust? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust
jakub_g 3y ago
Raman Pratasevich / Roman Protasevich. He was pardoned by Lukashenka last year, since then there was little news, but this week he showed up in a video stream. I found out in Polish media, was very hard to find an English article about it, found just one: https://www.txtreport.com/life/2024-02-14-%22i-ve-built-the-right-tactics-%22-raman-pratasevich-answered-journalists--questions-in-the-stream.S113tj5ia.html https://www.txtreport.com/life/2024-02-14-%22i-ve-built-the-... Lukashenka is not better than Putin, many oppositionists are rotting in prisons, but for some reason (young age?) he let Roman go, probably after some devil's deal.
jszymborski 3y ago
I can assure you I will never forget the name. Not all bravery is stupid. When people point to so-called inevitabilities of human character, as Putin and his ilk often do, I'll recall Navalny's name. I'll also recall the victories that were only possible thanks to people of similar courage. Things looked as helpess for Václav Havel, but without him we wouldn't have had the Velvet Revolution. I remember their names.
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  Imagine what these people could have done if they weren't at this point... just names that few, even of many few will remember. Ask the same question in a decade.
- m_fayer 3y ago
  Thanks for this.
Qwertious 3y ago
>Do you remember the guy who flew over Belarus and his plane was redirected to seize him? Any news? I do not even remember his name. Prigozhin, technically?
askvictor 3y ago
| He will be forgotten in a week, at least by the West. He wasn't doing that for the amusement of the West; he was doing it for the Russians.
- maxlamb 3y ago
  Sadly it will have as much of an impact on the Russians as any political martyr in any past dictatorship. And that is, almost certainly nothing.
  - gustavus 3y ago
    Maybe, but maybe not. Once there was a young man who became a martyr under an autocratic and bloodthirsty regime, this young man's name was Alexander Lenin. Although his death was not circulated in the newspapers, or widely known by many, there was one man who was changed by his death, his brother Vladamir, and his brother Vladmir did quite a bit to change the course of Russian history.
    - lobocinza 3y ago
      "Vladmir did quite a bit to change the course of Russian history"... for worse. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror
mbs159 3y ago
In the Baltics at least people are still talking about Protasevich. There are other countries in the West besides the US.

mynameisnoone 3y ago

Yes. Unfortunately, he miscalculated and threw his life away by failing to appreciate the conditions. Similar to standing in front of a tank in Tiananmen Square, this was and now proved to be a ineffective and futile act in a country whose populace refuses to stand up to Putin, oppression, or corruption. It's likely Putin will continue to be the de facto "elected" dictator of Russia until he dies and his oligarch pals replace him with someone equally terrible. The Russian people lack the will, organization, and moral courage to overthrow their klepto-plutocrat dictator.

nuker 3y ago
> The Russian people lack the will, organization, and moral courage to overthrow their klepto-plutocrat dictator. They lack secure communication tools in the first place. I believe Telegram is backdoored by FSB and Whatsapp just bent over without fight.
- computerfriend 3y ago
  In what way did WhatsApp bend over?
  - nuker 3y ago
    They provided data on request. We can never know for sure how much. Another fresh data: https://archive.is/xGihD https://archive.is/xGihD
- walteweiss 3y ago
  To Russians, it’s always someone else who is responsible. The will, organisation, and moral courage come first. Lack of secure communication comes after that. If Russians had any of that, they won’t even need the communication means in the first place, to overthrow their dictator. When there’s a mass of people enough to fight the regime, the regime won’t even fight. They only fight the battles they believe they can easily win. The truth is, Russians are, en masse, don’t care or even support all that. Those folks aren’t on Hacker News, they aren’t in any English-speaking communities as well. They barely speak even their own (complicated enough) language. The so-called ‘liberal’ Russians try to persuade us that Russians en-masse don’t support all that, ’Putin’s war‘ they say [1], etc. But there are literally hundreds of thousands of Russian fight against Ukraine right now, and there are 400,000 dead [2]. They are Russians, aren’t they? Russians have the very long history of wars they started on their neighbours. Is it Telegram being (possibly) backdoored or lack of Signal being too popular among Russians that stops them from growing in-house dictators and other murderers? [1] As a very simple illustration, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39395697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39395697 [2] You may need a translator for this, casualties is the first number: https://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2024/02/16/za-dobu-sili-oboroni-ukraini-znishhili-1210-rosijskih-okupantiv-21-artsistemu-voroga-%E2%80%92-genshtab-zsu/ https://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2024/02/16/za-dobu-sili-oboroni-...