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That's comical that you mention CFE. Your own link says: "The treaty proposed equal limits for the two "groups of states-parties", the North Atlantic Treaty Or
by protomolecule 3y ago
That's comical that you mention CFE.
Your own link says: "The treaty proposed equal limits for the two "groups of states-parties", the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the Warsaw Pact" and later "most former non-USSR Warsaw Treaty members subsequently joined NATO, followed later by the Baltic states and the states of the former Yugoslavia".
"CFE-II took into account the different geopolitical situation of the post-Cold War era by setting national instead of bloc-based limits on conventional armed forces. NATO members refused however to ratify the treaty..." [0] What a surprise.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Conventional_Armed_Forces_in_Europe#Follow-up_agreements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Conventional_Armed_F...
- actionfromafar 3y agoI'm not saying there wasn't mistrust from all sides. I'm saying Russia may have had ulterior motives to join NATO.
- protomolecule 3y ago"Ulterior motives" like what?
- actionfromafar 3y agoHaving a veto on who gets in the alliance, gathering intelligence, who knows? Not me. I just don't think Russia joining NATO is an apparent slam dunk success. Maybe it would have been great, we can never know for sure, but I can understand the suspicion.
- protomolecule 3y ago"Having a veto on who gets in the alliance, gathering intelligence" With what goal?
- actionfromafar 3y agoAttack Ukraine? But on the other hand, joining NATO could have changed the course of history for the better, so such plans may never have come into motion. This is all counterfactual. There was deep mistrust on all sides and it didn't happen.
- protomolecule 3y agoAttack Ukraine why?
- actionfromafar 3y agoRead Putins "scholarly article".
- protomolecule 3y agoI haven't read it. What do you mean specifically?
- Qwertious 3y agoNot the parent commenter, but IIRC in that document Putin expresses an ideological belief that Ukraine is inherently a part of Russia and must be returned.
- protomolecule 3y agoAnd how do you imagine it? Being in the same security alliance as Ukraine and having free trade agreement and having good relations with the West, he would attack the Ukraine to get a piece of land? Nobody in Russia would've supported such an unthinkable war. It took a coup in Kiev in 2014, burning people alive in Odessa, all the slogans 'Hang the Russians', dozens of streets named after Nazi collaborators, the war of the new Ukrainian government on the separatists in the East and eight years for people in Russia to start thinking that not all Ukrainians are brothers.