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I'm lumping in CISPA, SOPA, PIPA, etc as the governments march towards controlling the internet. I believe government isn't always perfect and this type of legi

I'm lumping in CISPA, SOPA, PIPA, etc as the governments march towards controlling the internet. I believe government isn't always perfect and this type of legislation and legislation that follows will result in experiences and situations FB users don't want.

tptacek 14y ago
So, just to be clear: SOPA and PIPA are wildly different bills from CISPA. There's really barely any relation at all. It's much, much easier to make a case for SOPA impacting Facebook's business.
- djb_hackernews 14y ago
  Be clear on what? your opinion? I think they are very related, as they are both trying to control digital communication, one is in the name of security, the other in the name of piracy. I believe in the end CISPA can be (ab)used to provide the government the same tools as SOPA/PIPA. At this point we are talking about personal opinions, which no one can really be right, but I am not alone[1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_Protection_Act#Opposition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_...
  - tptacek 14y ago
    Have you read the amended CISPA bill that the House passed? Could you point to something in it that leads you to believe that it provides any of the tools of SOPA? I know these discussions get contentious, but, respectfully, I don't see any mechanisms in CISPA that would enable the government to "control" anything. The bill literally does nothing but provide a mechanism for potentially private information to be shared; it is explicitly opt-in, meaning Reddit can't be forced to share anything under the terms of CISPA. There is no sneaky clause in it anywhere that would enable the government to, say, shut off an Internet connection, or turn off a DNS name. I bring this up because there has been a lot of very terrible reporting on CISPA alleging all of these things; from what I can see, that reporting squares up with no version of CISPA that has ever been submitted. If your primary source of information about CISPA is, say, Cory Doctorow, then of course I can understand why you think it might negatively impact Facebook to support CISPA. But Doctorow appears to be flatly wrong about CISPA. Finally, that Wikipedia section is a hodgepodge (tracking opinions on evolving current events is not something Wikipedia excels at). It would be easy to get the wrong idea from that list, because many of those sources are discussing multiple different bills and weren't written or intended as coherent oppositions to CISPA.
  - snowwrestler 14y ago
    You're welcome to believe whatever you want, but you're not welcome to your own facts. If you can point to specific language in CISPA that would relate to or enable powers similar to SOPA (or any powers to control digital communication at all), I'd be really interested to see it.

tptacek 14y ago

So, just to be clear: SOPA and PIPA are wildly different bills from CISPA. There's really barely any relation at all. It's much, much easier to make a case for SOPA impacting Facebook's business.

djb_hackernews 14y ago
Be clear on what? your opinion? I think they are very related, as they are both trying to control digital communication, one is in the name of security, the other in the name of piracy. I believe in the end CISPA can be (ab)used to provide the government the same tools as SOPA/PIPA. At this point we are talking about personal opinions, which no one can really be right, but I am not alone[1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_Protection_Act#Opposition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Intelligence_Sharing_and_...
- tptacek 14y ago
  Have you read the amended CISPA bill that the House passed? Could you point to something in it that leads you to believe that it provides any of the tools of SOPA? I know these discussions get contentious, but, respectfully, I don't see any mechanisms in CISPA that would enable the government to "control" anything. The bill literally does nothing but provide a mechanism for potentially private information to be shared; it is explicitly opt-in, meaning Reddit can't be forced to share anything under the terms of CISPA. There is no sneaky clause in it anywhere that would enable the government to, say, shut off an Internet connection, or turn off a DNS name. I bring this up because there has been a lot of very terrible reporting on CISPA alleging all of these things; from what I can see, that reporting squares up with no version of CISPA that has ever been submitted. If your primary source of information about CISPA is, say, Cory Doctorow, then of course I can understand why you think it might negatively impact Facebook to support CISPA. But Doctorow appears to be flatly wrong about CISPA. Finally, that Wikipedia section is a hodgepodge (tracking opinions on evolving current events is not something Wikipedia excels at). It would be easy to get the wrong idea from that list, because many of those sources are discussing multiple different bills and weren't written or intended as coherent oppositions to CISPA.
- snowwrestler 14y ago
  You're welcome to believe whatever you want, but you're not welcome to your own facts. If you can point to specific language in CISPA that would relate to or enable powers similar to SOPA (or any powers to control digital communication at all), I'd be really interested to see it.