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The easiest solution to this war is sitting Zelenskyy down with Putin and striking a compromise and forming a peace treaty, if the U.S. war mongers allow it.
by docmars 3y ago
The easiest solution to this war is sitting Zelenskyy down with Putin and striking a compromise and forming a peace treaty, if the U.S. war mongers allow it.
- actionfromafar 3y agoHow long will that last?
- KingOfCoders 3y agoLike the last several ones, before or after Russia invaded Crimea? Or the one where Russia guaranteed Ukraines sovereignty if they would give up nuclear weapons? (Russia playing the long con, got what it wanted, Ukraine free of nuclear weapons, ready to be invaded).
- JAlexoid 3y agoThe nukes deal wasn't about granting sovereignty. Ukraine had sovereignty since the formation of Soviet Union over 100 years ago(Ukraine even retained it's seat in UN, upon founding). That deal was just about nuclear proliferation. It was well reasoned at the time and had no special conditions. That being said - the idea that Ukrainians are a "fake nation" has been a prominent talking point in Russia my entire life.
- KingOfCoders 3y agoNo. I didn't say "grant" I did write "guarantee". Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum [0] ("guarantee Ukraines sovereignty") so Ukraine would sign the Lisbon Protocol [1] ("give up nuclear weapons"). Ukraine gives up nuclear weapons, Russia guarantees Ukraines sovereignty. Simple: "The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances comprises three substantially identical political agreements [..] to provide security assurances by its signatories relating to the accession of [..] Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons [..] Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders" [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_Protocol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_Protocol
- inglor_cz 3y ago"to this war" What about the next war? Have you listened to Putin? Ukraine is an artificial nation according to him and Russia has the right to reabsorb "Little Russia". How do you compromise with that view?
- oceanplexian 3y agoI listened to him speak for two hours. Hundreds of thousands of people have been killed in the war, how many more lives should be sacrificed to avoid compromise? What about prioritizing the value of human lives over drawing lines on a map between two very broken, very corrupt countries?
- inglor_cz 3y agoI don't really get how you can even begin to trust anything that Putin promises or signs. Russia has a long tradition of treating treaties as scraps of paper, and they have a recent history in this regard with Ukraine. Their long-term aim is to absorb Ukraine and exploit its industrial and agricultural potential for further imperial expansion. The next will be the Baltic countries and after them Central Europe. Whatever peace will be signed now will last precisely as long as it takes Russia to rebuild their offensive capabilities for the next round of war. All the dead are fault of Putin and his imperial ambitions. Our only choice is whether to submit and become serfs in a neo-Russian empire, or fight back and help Ukrainians fight back.
- docmars 3y agoI'm not sure how anyone begins to trust our own military or elected Establishment leaders who start and fund endless frivolous wars for decades, for greed, leaving the Middle East absolutely laid to waste. Bush, Obama / Hillary, and Biden are no different than Putin, if not far worse. They deserve no more trust from Americans than a serial killer who took out members of your family for fun. They are reckless abusers, for greed and continued power.
- inglor_cz 3y ago