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And this is chart is missing EU strongest military - France, they do not announce all the support they give for strategic reasons.

by sekai 3y ago

actionfromafar 3y ago
Could the strategic reason be to avoid explaining why they give so little?
- dragontamer 3y ago
  Unlikely. The Caesar artillery systems are large, expensive and well publicized. They need USAs 155mm production the most. the fact that we cut off our specialty is ridiculous.
phtrivier 3y ago
France published a list of equipment they sent to Ukraine, about an hour ago [1] [1] https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2024/02/16/en-direct-guerre-en-ukraine-la-france-dresse-pour-la-premiere-fois-l-inventaire-des-armes-fournies-a-kiev_6215933_3210.html?#id-1387836 https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2024/02/16/en-dire... Quoting and translating the best I can (any translation error is mine): Ground - Air SAMP-T : 1 system and ASTER 30 missiles CROTALE NG : 2 systems and some missiles MISTRAL : 5 systems and hundreds of missiles RADAR : 1 GM 200 Air - Ground SCALP : about a hundred missiles A2SM : several hundred bombs starting in February 2024 Artillery CAESAR : 30 canons and tens of thousands of munitions TRF1 : 6 canons and tens of thousands of munitions LRU : 4 systems and hundreds rockets Armoured and liaison vehicules AMX 10 RC: 38 AMX 10 RC and tens of thousands of 105mm shells VAB: 250 (including VAB SAN) VLTT P4: 120 vehicles MILAN: 17 launch positions and hundreds of missiles Engineering and small arms Anti-tank rockets: several thousand Anti-tank mines: several thousand Assault rifles: several thousand 12.7mm machine guns: several hundred Other ammunition: several million Aerial domain Drones: several hundred reconnaissance drones and small tactical drones Jet fuel: tens of thousands of cubic meters No idea how important / relevant it is. Just posting
- KingOfCoders 3y ago
  "SCALP : about a hundred missiles" Wish Germany would send long range Taurus.
  - mrweasel 3y ago
    I do wonder what the shelf life of those things are? Germany could hand over 200 - 300 of those things and just order new one to replace the oldest one in their stockpile.
    - lo_zamoyski 3y ago
      In general, Germany is not especially keen to enter into conflicts with Russia. They are a long time economic and energy partner. It is why Germany has a history of thwarting EU energy security and solidarity, and why it dragged its feet w.r.t. early in this conflict.
      - KingOfCoders 3y ago
        Energy security like from the US? Germany spending billions to switch to US LNG as fast as possible just to be gut punched. Russia delivered gas without problems for 50+ years, the US is not able to deliver LNG reliably for 1 year: "The U.S. has become the biggest exporter of LNG to Europe [..] U.S. President Joe Biden last week paused approvals for applications to export from new LNG projects to review the climate change and economic impact of such projects." [0] The only energy the EU can really control is solar, but probably has not enough room for panels to replace LNG with green hydrogen. [0] https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-lng-export-pause-leaves-eu-industry-odds-over-energy-security-2024-02-02/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-lng-export-pause-...
    - KingOfCoders 3y ago
      Parts of the German government party SPD are long term friends of Putin and need to be dragged by their feet for every inch of the way. At least the chancellor changed course - luckily otherwise there would be no support at all. But he is still fighting a fraction in his party of Putin friends - there is a "governor" of the government party SPD in power who took money from Putin.

And this is chart is missing EU strongest military - France, they do not announce all the support they give for strategic reasons.

by sekai 3y ago

And this is chart is missing EU strongest military - France, they do not announce all the support they give for strategic reasons.

actionfromafar 3y ago

Could the strategic reason be to avoid explaining why they give so little?

dragontamer 3y ago
Unlikely. The Caesar artillery systems are large, expensive and well publicized. They need USAs 155mm production the most. the fact that we cut off our specialty is ridiculous.

phtrivier 3y ago

France published a list of equipment they sent to Ukraine, about an hour ago [1] [1] https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2024/02/16/en-direct-guerre-en-ukraine-la-france-dresse-pour-la-premiere-fois-l-inventaire-des-armes-fournies-a-kiev_6215933_3210.html?#id-1387836 https://www.lemonde.fr/international/live/2024/02/16/en-dire... Quoting and translating the best I can (any translation error is mine): Ground - Air SAMP-T : 1 system and ASTER 30 missiles CROTALE NG : 2 systems and some missiles MISTRAL : 5 systems and hundreds of missiles RADAR : 1 GM 200 Air - Ground SCALP : about a hundred missiles A2SM : several hundred bombs starting in February 2024 Artillery CAESAR : 30 canons and tens of thousands of munitions TRF1 : 6 canons and tens of thousands of munitions LRU : 4 systems and hundreds rockets Armoured and liaison vehicules AMX 10 RC: 38 AMX 10 RC and tens of thousands of 105mm shells VAB: 250 (including VAB SAN) VLTT P4: 120 vehicles MILAN: 17 launch positions and hundreds of missiles Engineering and small arms Anti-tank rockets: several thousand Anti-tank mines: several thousand Assault rifles: several thousand 12.7mm machine guns: several hundred Other ammunition: several million Aerial domain Drones: several hundred reconnaissance drones and small tactical drones Jet fuel: tens of thousands of cubic meters No idea how important / relevant it is. Just posting

KingOfCoders 3y ago
"SCALP : about a hundred missiles" Wish Germany would send long range Taurus.
- mrweasel 3y ago
  I do wonder what the shelf life of those things are? Germany could hand over 200 - 300 of those things and just order new one to replace the oldest one in their stockpile.
  - lo_zamoyski 3y ago
    In general, Germany is not especially keen to enter into conflicts with Russia. They are a long time economic and energy partner. It is why Germany has a history of thwarting EU energy security and solidarity, and why it dragged its feet w.r.t. early in this conflict.
    - KingOfCoders 3y ago
      Energy security like from the US? Germany spending billions to switch to US LNG as fast as possible just to be gut punched. Russia delivered gas without problems for 50+ years, the US is not able to deliver LNG reliably for 1 year: "The U.S. has become the biggest exporter of LNG to Europe [..] U.S. President Joe Biden last week paused approvals for applications to export from new LNG projects to review the climate change and economic impact of such projects." [0] The only energy the EU can really control is solar, but probably has not enough room for panels to replace LNG with green hydrogen. [0] https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-lng-export-pause-leaves-eu-industry-odds-over-energy-security-2024-02-02/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-lng-export-pause-...
  - KingOfCoders 3y ago
    Parts of the German government party SPD are long term friends of Putin and need to be dragged by their feet for every inch of the way. At least the chancellor changed course - luckily otherwise there would be no support at all. But he is still fighting a fraction in his party of Putin friends - there is a "governor" of the government party SPD in power who took money from Putin.