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I agree with everything you said. I would just add two points: - The rate of change that AI forces upon us has never before been experienced. - The scale of

by imiric 3y ago

I agree with everything you said. I would just add two points: - The rate of change that AI forces upon us has never before been experienced. - The scale of these changes is nothing like we've ever seen before. The adoptions of the camera, radio, automobile, TV, etc., didn't happen practically overnight. Society had a good decade+ to prepare for them. Similarly, AI doesn't just change one industry. It fundamentally changes _all_ industries, and brings up some fundamental questions about the meaning of intelligence and our place in the universe. My fear is that we're not prepared for either of these things. We're not even certain how exactly this will affect us, or where this is actually all taking us, but somehow a very small group of people is inevitably forcing this on all of us. Because of this I think that being conservative, and maybe putting some strict regulation on these advancements, might not be such a bad idea.

mlrtime 3y ago
Agree with what you are saying as well. But AI is not displacing at the rate of change that is advancing. True, we hear anecdotes about people losing their jobs in HN, that was happening when those other adoptions happened but we didn't know about it happening real-time. Humans still need to adapt and we are slow. If singularity is near [it isn't] we can be afraid, until then we are the limiting factor here. Displacement will happen but growth will happen faster with these new tools
shrx 3y ago
Why are you afraid of change?
- bluefirebrand 3y ago
  Because as I grow older, I find I am less and less equipped to keep up with the rate of change that we are undergoing. It also means a lot of uncertainty for the immediate future. If AI takes over my job, will I still be able to compete in some industry somewhere and provide for myself? I don't want much out of life, but I do want the ability to influence my own personal situation. If we wind up in the UBI-ified, dense urban housing future where AI does all the work and no one owns anything, how much real influence will I have over my life? Will I live out my days in a government issued single bedroom apartment, with a monthly "congratulations for being human" allowance from the government? I don't want that. People say it will free us up to pursue whatever we want, but to me it sounds like the worst cage imaginable. All the free time, and no real freedom to enjoy it with. Because make no mistake. If you live on handouts from your government, you aren't free. So with that as a potential, maybe even likely outcome, why aren't you afraid of change?
  - imbnwa 3y ago
    >Because make no mistake. If you live on handouts from your government, you aren't free. This isn't actually the problem since we need and will continue to need UBI for non-AI related reasons >People say it will free us up to pursue whatever we want, but to me it sounds like the worst cage imaginable. This is where you missed the bit that "pursue whatever we want" will also be limited by AI, and secondary effect of people growing up consuming and enjoying AI productions that tailored to their interest. At best, you'll have a few people commanding Patreons who have some skill, but generally you'd have to find a domain to pursue that isn't already automated. Luddite subcultures will have to develop. But generally you yourself and most others, particularly children of millennials who'll grow up with this stuff progressing in sophistication, might just spend your time watching your video prompts come alive; and who would wanna. do anything else when you can get straight to what you wanna see.
    - eric_cc 3y ago
      > we need and will continue to need UBI for non-AI related reasons This mentality is why bitcoin is going to cruise through 1 million dollars a bitcoin and on and on. Print Monopoly money and people who earn will keep seeking out sound money.
      - htfu 3y ago
        Hint: the money comes from redistribution, not blindly printing more, the latter would obviously be completely insane (which is why you'd rather argue that scenario) whereas the former would keep the economy going, which is obviously in the interest of the capitalist class. No point owning and producing if there's no buyer because everyone is starving. What you seem to think would devalue money will be the very thing that keeps it going as a concept. And I hope you understand somewhere deep down that Bitcoin is the epitome of monopoly money.
        eric_cc 3y ago
        > Bitcoin is the epitome of monopoly money I see it as the polar opposite, backed by math. A politically controlled money supply with no immutable math-based proof of its release schedule is Monopoly money. Cuck bucks. Look at the 100 year buying power chart. On your second point, in spirit I agree. You need a stable society to enjoy wealth so it’s in the ruling classes best interest to keep things under control. HOW to keep things under control is the real debate.
eric_cc 3y ago
> The rate of change that AI forces upon us has never before been experienced. On what timeline?
- ben_w 3y ago
  IMO, any. It looks like an exponential curve, and for those, rate of change is proportional to value.
michaelcampbell 3y ago
> - The rate of change that AI forces upon us has never before been experienced. Sure, but I'd reckon on average, the rate of change at time T has never before been experienced at any time < T.

by imiric 3y ago

mlrtime 3y ago

Agree with what you are saying as well. But AI is not displacing at the rate of change that is advancing. True, we hear anecdotes about people losing their jobs in HN, that was happening when those other adoptions happened but we didn't know about it happening real-time. Humans still need to adapt and we are slow. If singularity is near [it isn't] we can be afraid, until then we are the limiting factor here. Displacement will happen but growth will happen faster with these new tools

shrx 3y ago

Why are you afraid of change?

bluefirebrand 3y ago
Because as I grow older, I find I am less and less equipped to keep up with the rate of change that we are undergoing. It also means a lot of uncertainty for the immediate future. If AI takes over my job, will I still be able to compete in some industry somewhere and provide for myself? I don't want much out of life, but I do want the ability to influence my own personal situation. If we wind up in the UBI-ified, dense urban housing future where AI does all the work and no one owns anything, how much real influence will I have over my life? Will I live out my days in a government issued single bedroom apartment, with a monthly "congratulations for being human" allowance from the government? I don't want that. People say it will free us up to pursue whatever we want, but to me it sounds like the worst cage imaginable. All the free time, and no real freedom to enjoy it with. Because make no mistake. If you live on handouts from your government, you aren't free. So with that as a potential, maybe even likely outcome, why aren't you afraid of change?
- imbnwa 3y ago
  >Because make no mistake. If you live on handouts from your government, you aren't free. This isn't actually the problem since we need and will continue to need UBI for non-AI related reasons >People say it will free us up to pursue whatever we want, but to me it sounds like the worst cage imaginable. This is where you missed the bit that "pursue whatever we want" will also be limited by AI, and secondary effect of people growing up consuming and enjoying AI productions that tailored to their interest. At best, you'll have a few people commanding Patreons who have some skill, but generally you'd have to find a domain to pursue that isn't already automated. Luddite subcultures will have to develop. But generally you yourself and most others, particularly children of millennials who'll grow up with this stuff progressing in sophistication, might just spend your time watching your video prompts come alive; and who would wanna. do anything else when you can get straight to what you wanna see.
  - eric_cc 3y ago
    > we need and will continue to need UBI for non-AI related reasons This mentality is why bitcoin is going to cruise through 1 million dollars a bitcoin and on and on. Print Monopoly money and people who earn will keep seeking out sound money.
    - htfu 3y ago
      Hint: the money comes from redistribution, not blindly printing more, the latter would obviously be completely insane (which is why you'd rather argue that scenario) whereas the former would keep the economy going, which is obviously in the interest of the capitalist class. No point owning and producing if there's no buyer because everyone is starving. What you seem to think would devalue money will be the very thing that keeps it going as a concept. And I hope you understand somewhere deep down that Bitcoin is the epitome of monopoly money.
      - eric_cc 3y ago
        > Bitcoin is the epitome of monopoly money I see it as the polar opposite, backed by math. A politically controlled money supply with no immutable math-based proof of its release schedule is Monopoly money. Cuck bucks. Look at the 100 year buying power chart. On your second point, in spirit I agree. You need a stable society to enjoy wealth so it’s in the ruling classes best interest to keep things under control. HOW to keep things under control is the real debate.

eric_cc 3y ago

> The rate of change that AI forces upon us has never before been experienced. On what timeline?

ben_w 3y ago
IMO, any. It looks like an exponential curve, and for those, rate of change is proportional to value.

michaelcampbell 3y ago

> - The rate of change that AI forces upon us has never before been experienced. Sure, but I'd reckon on average, the rate of change at time T has never before been experienced at any time < T.