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Same in Germany, and Germans should know better.

jacquesm 3y ago
Every Western European country, the US, Japan, Australia and tons of other territories should know better.
funcDropShadow 3y ago
But Germany has a left-wing government. And it is pushing this week to enact a law to prohibit speech that is not extreme enough to be against the constitution or otherwise criminal.
- vaylian 3y ago
  > to enact a law to prohibit speech that is not extreme enough to be against the constitution or otherwise criminal. source?
- hulitu 3y ago
  > But Germany has a left-wing government Then the US has an extreme left wing government compared with Germany
  - data_maan 3y ago
    This is very hard to believe, honestly. I get it may feel so for an American, since America is the strongest exporter if culture in the world - the whole world for example consumes American movie and songs, with the consequence that most people have some kind of approximate idea how it is to live in the US, what moves Americans etc . On the other hand, by this same fact, that Germany isn't such a strong cultural exporter, few Americans really know what moves Germans, since these topics are rarely talked about in movies, songs, radio that Americans consume. From this vantage point, I think it's hard for Americans to imagine just how left-wing Germany became compared to the US. For example, the US doesn't have a system for wide social security benefits, relaxed border controls (I never understand what the US is fretting about in terms if immigration, you can basically just walk in over the to Germany and register as a refugee - as millions have since 2015), and all other amenities that are typically "left" causes. Furthermore, while Germany may not have a legal framework regulating what you can say, it has a lot of implicit rules, how to talk about foreigner, an implicit "speech police" so to say. (The issue is actually not having all of thr above -because, after all, they are very nice things to have- but it's that they were allowed to be abused and overused at the expense of the general population, who keep paying more and get less if these services, and these initially nice ideas end up hurting now many more people. )
data_maan 3y ago
Germans don't know better! They voted time and time again for unpragmatic solutions and nanny state approaches, to the extent that the head state, Angel Merkel, become informally called "mother Merkel" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Angela_Merkel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Angela_Merke...). Except perhaps for the Dalai Lama who enjoys adoration out of religious reasons, I know of no other state (and definitely no other big economy) other then Germany where public infantilization reached such advanced states. Imagine calling Biden "Uncle", Macron "Cousin" or Meloni "Aunt". Strange world.

Every Western European country, the US, Japan, Australia and tons of other territories should know better.

But Germany has a left-wing government. And it is pushing this week to enact a law to prohibit speech that is not extreme enough to be against the constitution or otherwise criminal.

vaylian 3y ago
> to enact a law to prohibit speech that is not extreme enough to be against the constitution or otherwise criminal. source?
hulitu 3y ago
> But Germany has a left-wing government Then the US has an extreme left wing government compared with Germany
- data_maan 3y ago
  This is very hard to believe, honestly. I get it may feel so for an American, since America is the strongest exporter if culture in the world - the whole world for example consumes American movie and songs, with the consequence that most people have some kind of approximate idea how it is to live in the US, what moves Americans etc . On the other hand, by this same fact, that Germany isn't such a strong cultural exporter, few Americans really know what moves Germans, since these topics are rarely talked about in movies, songs, radio that Americans consume. From this vantage point, I think it's hard for Americans to imagine just how left-wing Germany became compared to the US. For example, the US doesn't have a system for wide social security benefits, relaxed border controls (I never understand what the US is fretting about in terms if immigration, you can basically just walk in over the to Germany and register as a refugee - as millions have since 2015), and all other amenities that are typically "left" causes. Furthermore, while Germany may not have a legal framework regulating what you can say, it has a lot of implicit rules, how to talk about foreigner, an implicit "speech police" so to say. (The issue is actually not having all of thr above -because, after all, they are very nice things to have- but it's that they were allowed to be abused and overused at the expense of the general population, who keep paying more and get less if these services, and these initially nice ideas end up hurting now many more people. )

data_maan 3y ago

Germans don't know better! They voted time and time again for unpragmatic solutions and nanny state approaches, to the extent that the head state, Angel Merkel, become informally called "mother Merkel" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Angela_Merkel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Angela_Merke...). Except perhaps for the Dalai Lama who enjoys adoration out of religious reasons, I know of no other state (and definitely no other big economy) other then Germany where public infantilization reached such advanced states. Imagine calling Biden "Uncle", Macron "Cousin" or Meloni "Aunt". Strange world.