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His death was certain the moment he went back to Russia. He should have stayed back in some European country and continued the fight.

by sumedh 3y ago

diggan 3y ago
I'm fairly certain he knew this, but did it anyways. If anything, it'll make him a martyr who died in their home country, still fighting, rather than someone who is trying to run away and fueling the opponent's arguments. Still sucks it had to come to this. But I agree, this wasn't the unexpected outcome.
- satellite2 3y ago
  Unfortunately, a martyr in Western countries only. I doubt his death will be discussed in Russian's media.
  - proxysna 3y ago
    It is already being discussed. Also Russian media is not limited to state media.
    - deleted 3y ago
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  - kikimora 3y ago
    This is #1 topic in Russia right now. Even some state media outlets report on this.
  - permo-w 3y ago
    https://www.rt.com/russia/592561-alexey-navalny-blogger-opposition/ https://www.rt.com/russia/592561-alexey-navalny-blogger-oppo...
MrDresden 3y ago
He will be remembered along with other reformers of history who stood up to what they believed and in the end paid with their lives. I truly hope his death will not be in vain.
- inference-lord 3y ago
  I personally think it makes a clown show of Musk and Carlson Putin fan club we have going on, now they're buddies with a murder. I mean Putin has murdered many people, but this one is pretty fresh and seems to hold a lot more weight because of the stature of the victim.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    In their eyes it makes Putin more, not less attractive because that's how they view their own little power fantasies: to do away with their enemies, real and perceived. It's not as if we collectively refused to do business with the murderer (correction, butcher) of a journalist in a f'ing embassy. That stood pretty much unchallenged besides some finger wagging.
    - riehwvfbk 3y ago
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      - krallja 3y ago
        Pretty clearly not, as Assange is alive.
      - wyldfire 3y ago
        No, this refers to US ignoring KSA/Mohammed bin Salman killing and dismembering Jamal Khashoggi. From [1]: > [Trump said] "it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event – maybe he did and maybe he didn't ... In any case, our relationship is with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia." Two days later, Trump denied that the CIA had even reached a conclusion. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi#U.S._response https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi#U.S._response
secondary_op 3y ago
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dredmorbius 3y ago
The contrast with an earlier Russian revolutionary, Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, better known as Lenin, bears reflection. Lenin went into exile in Munich, London, and Geneva from 1900--1905, returning to Russia for a 2005 revolution, then living in exile again during the First World War. Navalny all but certainly was aware of his likely martyrdom, and appears to have won that. I have my doubts that he will be more effective as a martyr than he would have been acting in exile. In addition to whatever organisation remains, he does leave both a wife and daughter, though whether or not they'll carry on his fight I don't know. The news today is not unexpected, but disappointing all the same.
BrandoElFollito 3y ago
Yes. And now he is dead and will be forgotten in a week. As I mentioned earlier - does anyone remember the guy who flew over Belarus and had his plane redirected to the capital, and he was seized there. He also was a protester, now forgotten. I do not even remember his name and never heard of him since then.
- fbarred 3y ago
  I assume you never heard of Roman Protasevich before the plane incident? Navalny on the other hand has done many notable things and was in the news all the time before his death. His is the first name you think of when you think of Russian opposition. This is not a valid comparison.
  - BrandoElFollito 3y ago
    I heard about Navalny when he was in Germany because it was newsworthy, and then when he decided to get back to Russia. I have never heard about him before. Same for Protasevich - it is because his plane was diverted that it made it to the news. The only time we hear about these people is when they do something visible. I am not saying that this is OK, it is just the sad reality of our world where one news pushes another. Navalny could have had protested and there would be a chance he would be heard then. When he was in prison it was over until he dies.
- throw-the-towel 3y ago
  That guy was forced to co-operate with the regime and to abandon his SO, arrested together with him.
- elgenie 3y ago
  Navalny will be remembered, just as Boris Nemtsov is remembered.

His death was certain the moment he went back to Russia. He should have stayed back in some European country and continued the fight.

by sumedh 3y ago

His death was certain the moment he went back to Russia. He should have stayed back in some European country and continued the fight.

diggan 3y ago

I'm fairly certain he knew this, but did it anyways. If anything, it'll make him a martyr who died in their home country, still fighting, rather than someone who is trying to run away and fueling the opponent's arguments. Still sucks it had to come to this. But I agree, this wasn't the unexpected outcome.

satellite2 3y ago
Unfortunately, a martyr in Western countries only. I doubt his death will be discussed in Russian's media.
- proxysna 3y ago
  It is already being discussed. Also Russian media is not limited to state media.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
- kikimora 3y ago
  This is #1 topic in Russia right now. Even some state media outlets report on this.
- permo-w 3y ago
  https://www.rt.com/russia/592561-alexey-navalny-blogger-opposition/ https://www.rt.com/russia/592561-alexey-navalny-blogger-oppo...

MrDresden 3y ago

He will be remembered along with other reformers of history who stood up to what they believed and in the end paid with their lives. I truly hope his death will not be in vain.

inference-lord 3y ago
I personally think it makes a clown show of Musk and Carlson Putin fan club we have going on, now they're buddies with a murder. I mean Putin has murdered many people, but this one is pretty fresh and seems to hold a lot more weight because of the stature of the victim.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  In their eyes it makes Putin more, not less attractive because that's how they view their own little power fantasies: to do away with their enemies, real and perceived. It's not as if we collectively refused to do business with the murderer (correction, butcher) of a journalist in a f'ing embassy. That stood pretty much unchallenged besides some finger wagging.
  - riehwvfbk 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - krallja 3y ago
      Pretty clearly not, as Assange is alive.
    - wyldfire 3y ago
      No, this refers to US ignoring KSA/Mohammed bin Salman killing and dismembering Jamal Khashoggi. From [1]: > [Trump said] "it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event – maybe he did and maybe he didn't ... In any case, our relationship is with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia." Two days later, Trump denied that the CIA had even reached a conclusion. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi#U.S._response https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi#U.S._response

secondary_op 3y ago

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dredmorbius 3y ago

The contrast with an earlier Russian revolutionary, Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, better known as Lenin, bears reflection. Lenin went into exile in Munich, London, and Geneva from 1900--1905, returning to Russia for a 2005 revolution, then living in exile again during the First World War. Navalny all but certainly was aware of his likely martyrdom, and appears to have won that. I have my doubts that he will be more effective as a martyr than he would have been acting in exile. In addition to whatever organisation remains, he does leave both a wife and daughter, though whether or not they'll carry on his fight I don't know. The news today is not unexpected, but disappointing all the same.

BrandoElFollito 3y ago

Yes. And now he is dead and will be forgotten in a week. As I mentioned earlier - does anyone remember the guy who flew over Belarus and had his plane redirected to the capital, and he was seized there. He also was a protester, now forgotten. I do not even remember his name and never heard of him since then.

fbarred 3y ago
I assume you never heard of Roman Protasevich before the plane incident? Navalny on the other hand has done many notable things and was in the news all the time before his death. His is the first name you think of when you think of Russian opposition. This is not a valid comparison.
- BrandoElFollito 3y ago
  I heard about Navalny when he was in Germany because it was newsworthy, and then when he decided to get back to Russia. I have never heard about him before. Same for Protasevich - it is because his plane was diverted that it made it to the news. The only time we hear about these people is when they do something visible. I am not saying that this is OK, it is just the sad reality of our world where one news pushes another. Navalny could have had protested and there would be a chance he would be heard then. When he was in prison it was over until he dies.
throw-the-towel 3y ago
That guy was forced to co-operate with the regime and to abandon his SO, arrested together with him.
elgenie 3y ago
Navalny will be remembered, just as Boris Nemtsov is remembered.