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Everything we can.
by I_am_tiberius 3y ago
Everything we can.
- schappim 3y agoWhat is left on the table?
- I_am_tiberius 3y ago- Europe is still consuming lots of gas that finances Russia's "defense" budget. - There's also a lot of other business with Russia that is not sanctioned. - Ukraine does not have enough ammunition. - There are so called neutral countries that should not be neutral.
- unmole 3y ago> There are so called neutral countries that should not be neutral. Why?
- schappim 3y agoI think you’ll find that even the neutral countries are providing support to Ukraine via the backdoor (eg Swiss with their armour going via DE). I believe the strategy that the powers at be are attempting is to keep Russia occupied in Ukraine for as long as possible without major escalation. Without assigning morality, it seems like a tough balancing act to achieve.
- Gasp0de 3y agoThe US could stop Taiwan from selling ammunition manufacturing machinery to Russia
- ed_balls 3y agoAnd Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Japan. Siemens CNC machines are making cruise missles instead of train parts.
- PedroBatista 3y agoAnd the US
- foofie 3y ago> What is left on the table? Arming Ukraine, tighten sanctions. The world has been treating Russia with kids gloves while it should be treating it as the drunken nuisance it is.
- joshsyn 3y ago[dead]
- lucasRW 3y agoNot so sure. I remember that pulling the plug on SWIFT was seen and talk about, as "the nuclear option" that no one thought would be used.
- thriftwy 3y agoIt wasn't done to the full extent (Raiffeisenbank for starters) and does look petty. "We are not confiscating your money from the bank but when you call to withdraw them, we will pretend we can't hear you on the phone".
- bbsz 3y agoThere're countless studies conducted during the Ukraine-Russia war pointing out what sectors to hit with full export ban to grind Russian military capability to a halt (e.g Austrian GFM manufacturing equipment for artillery barrels production). But this is very politicized discussion. Obviously companies will want to protect their interests and politicians prefer to make strong and visible statements in place of the working ones (like, freezing Russian assets outside of Russia does very little damage to Russia itself right now, compared to, say, decimating their heavy equipment supply chain) Business is separate from war (see Sweden's metallurgy industry during WW2).
- neovialogistics 3y agoMilitary intervention or something else?
- foofie 3y ago> Military intervention or something else? Military intervention is not required. Just give Ukraine what it needs to repel the Russian invasion and let Putin face his Russian czar fate.
- comonoid 3y agoYou cannot attack a country with nuclear arsenal. This is what really allows Putin to be so aggressive.
- KingOfCoders 3y agoA lot of things of "you cannot do" have already been proven to be false.
- comonoid 3y agoYou have only one try in this case.
- squarefoot 3y agoYou can attack a country with nuclear weapons, provided you use only conventional ones, then threaten to escalate to nuclear if they do that. Nuclear weapons are the ultimate threat which would ensure mutual severe damage if not destruction if used, therefore nobody uses them first unless they're completely nuts, or they're cornered. Putin is a criminal but he's far from being crazy, and as for now is surely also far from being cornered. Surgical attacks in Russia with conventional weapons would undermine his powers and create enough public disapproval to facilitate a coup from within, but should be done with extreme care and up to a certain point in order not to trigger a nuclear response. Sadly, even using conventional weapons, the number of deaths would be huge; it is entirely possible that Putin would sacrifice millions of innocents sending them to the front line before giving up, also because when dictators give up they usually die shortly after.
- ed_balls 3y agoThere isn't much more we can do. NATO could end Russia with more weapons and making a defence deal with Saudis in exchange for price dumping of oil and gas[1]. But no one wants a nuclear state to fail. Moscow must be terrified of another coup d'etat, hence Navalny's death. [1]extracting, insurance and delivery cost for Saudis are about $17 and for Russia it maybe as high as $40 now.
- mamonster 3y agoWhy would Saudi go against Russia for doing something they do themselves, i.e murdering opposition(Khashogi)? Similarly, why would this be the trigger when the Saudi experience shows US is fine with it?
- lukasm 3y agoIn the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter. The number one problem for SA is security. The state is fragile. Wahabi, Muslim Brotherhood, tribes that hate House of Saud. Secondly, Iran possess a direct threat, Houthi could destroy critical infrastructure. $$$$ spent on military doesn't help - they lost the war in Yemen. SA is on a lookout for allies: Defence partnership with Pakistan which probably end up in a nuclear technology transfer or purchase of atomic weapons. If USA would give better security guarantees to SA (similar to Jordan) with some tech transfer, SA would increase the output by 2x, which would result in $45 per barrel.
- mamonster 3y agoWahhabism isn't an internal threat to Saudi, like at all. It's their export ideology and it is not at all appealing to the citizens of one of the best welfare states in the world. Wahhabism in actual Saudi is completely different to what gets exported. As for Iran, seems like recently there has been a rapprochement(mediated by China), will need to see where it leads. It's pretty clear to me SA is on the lookout for allies, but US is low on their list, as they realised(correctly) that all the human rights issues in Russia exist there as well and might get tackled by the West in a decarbonised future.