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NHTSA instead focuses its resources on forcing a draconian “recall” on Tesla to increase the font size of the brake icon. I know these aren’t one and the same

by kbos87 3y ago

NHTSA instead focuses its resources on forcing a draconian “recall” on Tesla to increase the font size of the brake icon. I know these aren’t one and the same and they should be able to do two things at once, but there are choices being made about where to put resources.

kj4ips 3y ago
> NHTSA instead focuses its resources on forcing a draconian “recall” on Tesla to increase the font size of the brake icon. An update that probably took an engineer less than a day, and CI mere hours to build? The recall terminology is a little silly with an agile-ish developed product, but they really should have done it right the first time. It's not like the standard is hard to read. It probably only bubbled up to the top when someone who has designed these kinds of things in the past noticed it was out of spec, and complained.
- londons_explore 3y ago
  It was in every vehicle back to 2012... And was seen by every driver every day. Hard to argue that this rule breaking is a problem when literally millions of people saw the rule breaking on literally billions of occasions before the violation was noticed.
  - alphabettsy 3y ago
    Generally the way that laws and rules work is that it doesn’t matter how long you’ve been breaking the rule or law, but when you get caught, you have to remedy the problem otherwise what’s the point?
    - kbos87 3y ago
      Completely fair, but the fact that this “problem” was so ubiquitous for so long should be factored into the decision of whether or not to issue a recall. Recalls aren’t without negative consequences - huge effort and actual cost, opportunity cost of other things regulators could focus on, and the impact to what it means to the term “recall”.
FireBeyond 3y ago
Tesla is not a martyr, and what everyone saying things like this are doing is actually arguing for special treatment for Tesla. Lincoln had a recall on my Navigator that resulted in them sending me two pieces of paper and saying "place these pages between page 165 and 166 of your user manual". The pages were related to something entirely benign, related to adjusting the seat for the captain's chairs in the second row.

by kbos87 3y ago

kj4ips 3y ago

> NHTSA instead focuses its resources on forcing a draconian “recall” on Tesla to increase the font size of the brake icon. An update that probably took an engineer less than a day, and CI mere hours to build? The recall terminology is a little silly with an agile-ish developed product, but they really should have done it right the first time. It's not like the standard is hard to read. It probably only bubbled up to the top when someone who has designed these kinds of things in the past noticed it was out of spec, and complained.

londons_explore 3y ago
It was in every vehicle back to 2012... And was seen by every driver every day. Hard to argue that this rule breaking is a problem when literally millions of people saw the rule breaking on literally billions of occasions before the violation was noticed.
- alphabettsy 3y ago
  Generally the way that laws and rules work is that it doesn’t matter how long you’ve been breaking the rule or law, but when you get caught, you have to remedy the problem otherwise what’s the point?
  - kbos87 3y ago
    Completely fair, but the fact that this “problem” was so ubiquitous for so long should be factored into the decision of whether or not to issue a recall. Recalls aren’t without negative consequences - huge effort and actual cost, opportunity cost of other things regulators could focus on, and the impact to what it means to the term “recall”.

FireBeyond 3y ago

Tesla is not a martyr, and what everyone saying things like this are doing is actually arguing for special treatment for Tesla. Lincoln had a recall on my Navigator that resulted in them sending me two pieces of paper and saying "place these pages between page 165 and 166 of your user manual". The pages were related to something entirely benign, related to adjusting the seat for the captain's chairs in the second row.