I'm not sure either. It really only is intended to support the point that this isn't a good way to try to "rebut" my statement and I didn't try hard to find a h

I'm not sure either. It really only is intended to support the point that this isn't a good way to try to "rebut" my statement and I didn't try hard to find a highly reliable source, which is generally a bad idea, especially when posting to HN. Here is another figure: California ranks among states with the lowest vacancy rates, according to a new report by LendingTree. But because California is so large, it still has the second-highest number of vacant homes - about 8.7% according to the report, or around 1.2 million empty homes. https://www.foxla.com/news/california-housing-vacancy-rate https://www.foxla.com/news/california-housing-vacancy-rate There are lots of empty homes in the US and lots of homeless people on the streets and lots of people with modest incomes struggling to find housing they can afford that works for them financially and in other ways. The empty homes are often not homes that would serve the needs of homeless people well. You can have a lot of empty homes and still have a lot of people on the street and California does have both. I tend to talk about walkable, mixed-use neighborhoods rather than affordable housing because the phrase "affordable housing" is a hot-button phrase and most people seem to think it means either government projects or poverty housing (or both). It's a really tough topic to communicate well on and I have been absent from HN in recent weeks, as is common for me around the holidays, and I'm probably making a mistake trying to discuss this at all. It's not really a central topic of focus for the forum and it's endlessly frustrating trying to do that Vulcan mind meld "my mind to yours" and convey what I am thinking by little black characters on a light background. It routinely gets very wildly misconstrued and it's very unusual for people to actually care to understand my point. Most are just waiting to shoot it down and reassert whatever they already believe is true, which often boils down to "Let's just round up homeless people and throw them in jail!"