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Watching these made me think, I'm going to want to go to the theatre a lot more in the future and see fellow humans in plays, lectures and concerts. Such achie

Watching these made me think, I'm going to want to go to the theatre a lot more in the future and see fellow humans in plays, lectures and concerts. Such achievements in technology must lead to cultural change. Look at how popular vinyl has become, why not theatre again.

sleepingreset 3y ago
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imiric 3y ago
Do you feel the same way about modern movies? CGI is so ubiquitous and accessible, that most movies use some form of it. It's actually news when a filmmaker _doesn't_ use CGI (e.g. Nolan). These advancements are just the next step in that evolution. The tech used in movies will be commoditized, and you'll see Hollywood-style production in YouTube videos. I'm not sure why you think theater will become _more_ popular because of this. It has remained popular throughout the years, as technology comes and goes. People can enjoy both video and theater, no?
Buckworthy 3y ago
Imagine movies generated in real-time just for you, with the faces you know, places you know and what not!
- nomadpenguin 3y ago
  That would suck. I want to see something I haven't seen before.
  - iwsk 3y ago
    Your wish is Sora's(or its successor model's) prompt.
    - sussmannbaka 3y ago
      I am a much better software engineer than I am a director. I can guarantee you that I don’t want to see anything that I could prompt.
  - dymk 3y ago
    I guarantee you haven't seen the entire latent space of any large model
- dorkwood 3y ago
  Seems like we're pretty close to inserting ourselves into pornographic movies.
  - dymk 3y ago
    We can do that already, you just need a camera
    - ugh123 3y ago
      Can also achieve multiple (still) angles, with multiple phones.
  - danielbln 3y ago
    Not close, we're there. Look up FaceFusion.
- Astraco 3y ago
  That's terrifying and dystopian.
  - dorkwood 3y ago
    No it's not. Imagine turning on the television when you get home and it's a show all about you (think Breaking Bad, but you're Walter White). You flip to another channel and it's a pornographic movie where you sleep with all the world's most famous movie stars. Flip the channel again and it's all the home movies you wish you had but were never able to make. This is a future we could once only dream of, and OpenAI is making it possible. Has anyone noticed how anti-progress HN has become lately?
    - enumjorge 3y ago
      I guess it depends on your definition of progress. None of those examples you listed sound particularly appealing to me. I've never watched a show and thought I'd get more enjoyment if I was at the center of that story. Porn and dating apps have created such unrealistic expectations of sex and relationships that we're already seeing the effects in younger generations. I can only imagine what on-demand fully generative porn will have on issues like porn addiction. Not to say I don't have some level of excitement about the tech, but I don't think it's unwarranted pessimism to look at this stuff and worry about it's darker implications.
    - Astraco 3y ago
      > You flip to another channel and it's a pornographic movie where you sleep with all the world's most famous movie stars. This is not only dystopian, it's just sad. All these look taken from the first seasons of Black Mirror. I don't know what you think progress is but AI porno and ads are not.
    - ookdatnog 3y ago
      That seems depressingly solipsistic. I think part of the appeal of art is that it's other humans trying to communicate with you, that you feel the personality of the creators shining through. Also I've never interacted with any piece of art or entertainment and thought to myself "this is neat and all, but it would be much improved if this were entirely about me, with me as the protagonist." One watches Breaking Bad because Walter White is an interesting character; he's a man who falls into a life of crime initially for understandable reasons, but as the series goes on it becomes increasingly clear that he is lying to himself about his motivations and that his primary motivation for his escalating criminal life is his deep-seated frustration at the mediocrity of his life. More than anything else, he craves being important. The unraveling of his motivations and where they come from is the story, and that's something you can't really do when you're literally watching yourself shoehorned into a fictional setting. You seem to regard it as self-evident that art or entertainment would be improved if (1) it's all about you personally and (2) involvement of other real humans is reduced to zero, but I cannot fathom why you would think that (with the exception of the porn example).
- superhumanuser 3y ago
  Your favorite shows, where the season never ends, and the actors never age.
- deleted 3y ago
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mark_l_watson 3y ago
I agree, seeing real human actors on stage will always be popular for some consumers. Same for local live musicians. That said, I helped a friend who makes low budget, edgy and cool films last week. I showed him what I knew about driving Pika.art and he picked it up quickly. He is very excited about the possibility of being able to write more stories and turn them into films. I think there is plenty of demand for all kinds of entertainment. It is sad that so many creative people in Hollywood and other content creation centers will lose jobs. I think the very best people will be employed, but often partnered with AIs. Off topic, but I have been a paid AI practitioner since 1982, and the breakthroughs of deep learning, transformers, and LLMs are stunning.
- roca 3y ago
  We will soon find that story generation is easily automated.
  - htrp 3y ago
    It's already easy automated.
- carrozo 3y ago
  Drop a link to your friend’s work?
dingclancy 3y ago
The vinyl narrative is so whack. https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/ https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/ At its peak, Inflation adjusted Vinyl Sales was $1.4billion in 1979. Then forward to the lowest sales in 2009 at $3.4million. So Vinyl has been so popular it grew to $8.5m by 2021. That is just nostalgia, not cultural change pushed by the dystopia of AI.
- halfstar91 3y ago
  Why is my 14 year old niece now collecting vinyl? I can guarantee it's not nostalgia. There's obviously more at play there even when acknowledging your point about relative market size.
  - outime 3y ago
    How many 14 years old do you know who collect vinyl?
    - r9295 3y ago
      The medium is the message. I know several people born post 2000 who are embracing records and tapes.
    - xanderlewis 3y ago
      I started when I was pretty much exactly that age, ten years ago.
  - turtles3 3y ago
    Perhaps it is _anemoia_ - nostalgia for a time you've never known https://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/post/105778238455/anemoia-n-nostalgia-for-a-time-youve-never https://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/post/105778238455... In this case, it's for the harmless charm of an imagined past, but the same forces are at play in some more dangerous forms of social conservatism.
  - peebeebee 3y ago
    It's a very narrow subgroup. But things can coexist. It's now easier to create music than ever, and there is more music created by more artists than ever. Most music is forgettable and just streamed as background music. But there is also room for superstars like Taylor Swift. Things don't have to be either-or.
dogcomplex 3y ago
I actually suspect one of the new most popular mediums will be actors on a theatre stage doing live performances to a live AI CGI video being rendered behind them - similar to musicians in a live orchestra. It would bring together the nostalgia and wonder of human acting and performance art, while still smoothing and enhancing their live performance into the quality levels and wonder we've come to expect from movie theatre experiences. This will be technologically doable soon.

sleepingreset 3y ago

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imiric 3y ago

Do you feel the same way about modern movies? CGI is so ubiquitous and accessible, that most movies use some form of it. It's actually news when a filmmaker _doesn't_ use CGI (e.g. Nolan). These advancements are just the next step in that evolution. The tech used in movies will be commoditized, and you'll see Hollywood-style production in YouTube videos. I'm not sure why you think theater will become _more_ popular because of this. It has remained popular throughout the years, as technology comes and goes. People can enjoy both video and theater, no?

Buckworthy 3y ago

Imagine movies generated in real-time just for you, with the faces you know, places you know and what not!

nomadpenguin 3y ago
That would suck. I want to see something I haven't seen before.
- iwsk 3y ago
  Your wish is Sora's(or its successor model's) prompt.
  - sussmannbaka 3y ago
    I am a much better software engineer than I am a director. I can guarantee you that I don’t want to see anything that I could prompt.
- dymk 3y ago
  I guarantee you haven't seen the entire latent space of any large model
dorkwood 3y ago
Seems like we're pretty close to inserting ourselves into pornographic movies.
- dymk 3y ago
  We can do that already, you just need a camera
  - ugh123 3y ago
    Can also achieve multiple (still) angles, with multiple phones.
- danielbln 3y ago
  Not close, we're there. Look up FaceFusion.
Astraco 3y ago
That's terrifying and dystopian.
- dorkwood 3y ago
  No it's not. Imagine turning on the television when you get home and it's a show all about you (think Breaking Bad, but you're Walter White). You flip to another channel and it's a pornographic movie where you sleep with all the world's most famous movie stars. Flip the channel again and it's all the home movies you wish you had but were never able to make. This is a future we could once only dream of, and OpenAI is making it possible. Has anyone noticed how anti-progress HN has become lately?
  - enumjorge 3y ago
    I guess it depends on your definition of progress. None of those examples you listed sound particularly appealing to me. I've never watched a show and thought I'd get more enjoyment if I was at the center of that story. Porn and dating apps have created such unrealistic expectations of sex and relationships that we're already seeing the effects in younger generations. I can only imagine what on-demand fully generative porn will have on issues like porn addiction. Not to say I don't have some level of excitement about the tech, but I don't think it's unwarranted pessimism to look at this stuff and worry about it's darker implications.
  - Astraco 3y ago
    > You flip to another channel and it's a pornographic movie where you sleep with all the world's most famous movie stars. This is not only dystopian, it's just sad. All these look taken from the first seasons of Black Mirror. I don't know what you think progress is but AI porno and ads are not.
  - ookdatnog 3y ago
    That seems depressingly solipsistic. I think part of the appeal of art is that it's other humans trying to communicate with you, that you feel the personality of the creators shining through. Also I've never interacted with any piece of art or entertainment and thought to myself "this is neat and all, but it would be much improved if this were entirely about me, with me as the protagonist." One watches Breaking Bad because Walter White is an interesting character; he's a man who falls into a life of crime initially for understandable reasons, but as the series goes on it becomes increasingly clear that he is lying to himself about his motivations and that his primary motivation for his escalating criminal life is his deep-seated frustration at the mediocrity of his life. More than anything else, he craves being important. The unraveling of his motivations and where they come from is the story, and that's something you can't really do when you're literally watching yourself shoehorned into a fictional setting. You seem to regard it as self-evident that art or entertainment would be improved if (1) it's all about you personally and (2) involvement of other real humans is reduced to zero, but I cannot fathom why you would think that (with the exception of the porn example).
superhumanuser 3y ago
Your favorite shows, where the season never ends, and the actors never age.
deleted 3y ago
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mark_l_watson 3y ago

I agree, seeing real human actors on stage will always be popular for some consumers. Same for local live musicians. That said, I helped a friend who makes low budget, edgy and cool films last week. I showed him what I knew about driving Pika.art and he picked it up quickly. He is very excited about the possibility of being able to write more stories and turn them into films. I think there is plenty of demand for all kinds of entertainment. It is sad that so many creative people in Hollywood and other content creation centers will lose jobs. I think the very best people will be employed, but often partnered with AIs. Off topic, but I have been a paid AI practitioner since 1982, and the breakthroughs of deep learning, transformers, and LLMs are stunning.

roca 3y ago
We will soon find that story generation is easily automated.
- htrp 3y ago
  It's already easy automated.
carrozo 3y ago
Drop a link to your friend’s work?

dingclancy 3y ago

The vinyl narrative is so whack. https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/ https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/ At its peak, Inflation adjusted Vinyl Sales was $1.4billion in 1979. Then forward to the lowest sales in 2009 at $3.4million. So Vinyl has been so popular it grew to $8.5m by 2021. That is just nostalgia, not cultural change pushed by the dystopia of AI.

halfstar91 3y ago
Why is my 14 year old niece now collecting vinyl? I can guarantee it's not nostalgia. There's obviously more at play there even when acknowledging your point about relative market size.
- outime 3y ago
  How many 14 years old do you know who collect vinyl?
  - r9295 3y ago
    The medium is the message. I know several people born post 2000 who are embracing records and tapes.
  - xanderlewis 3y ago
    I started when I was pretty much exactly that age, ten years ago.
- turtles3 3y ago
  Perhaps it is _anemoia_ - nostalgia for a time you've never known https://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/post/105778238455/anemoia-n-nostalgia-for-a-time-youve-never https://www.dictionaryofobscuresorrows.com/post/105778238455... In this case, it's for the harmless charm of an imagined past, but the same forces are at play in some more dangerous forms of social conservatism.
- peebeebee 3y ago
  It's a very narrow subgroup. But things can coexist. It's now easier to create music than ever, and there is more music created by more artists than ever. Most music is forgettable and just streamed as background music. But there is also room for superstars like Taylor Swift. Things don't have to be either-or.

dogcomplex 3y ago

I actually suspect one of the new most popular mediums will be actors on a theatre stage doing live performances to a live AI CGI video being rendered behind them - similar to musicians in a live orchestra. It would bring together the nostalgia and wonder of human acting and performance art, while still smoothing and enhancing their live performance into the quality levels and wonder we've come to expect from movie theatre experiences. This will be technologically doable soon.