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An AI video generator can't kill billions of people, for one. I'd prefer it if access wasn't limited to a single corporation that's accountable to no one and is

An AI video generator can't kill billions of people, for one. I'd prefer it if access wasn't limited to a single corporation that's accountable to no one and is incentivized to use it for their benefits only.

jstummbillig 3y ago
> accountable to no one What do you mean? Are you being dramatic or do you actually believe that the US government will/can not absolutely shut OpenAI down, if they feel it was required to guarantee state order?
- tavavex 3y ago
  For the US government to step in, they'd have to do something extremely dangerous (and refuse to share with the government). If we're talking about video generation, the benefits they have are financial, and the lack of accountability is in that they can do things no one else can. I'm not saying they'll be allowed to break the law, there's plenty of space between the two extremes. Though, given how things were going, I can also see OpenAI teaming up with the US government and receiving exclusive privileges to run certain technologies for the sake of "safety". It's what Altman has already been pushing for.
huytersd 3y ago
I think it could. The right sequence of videos sent to the right people could definitely set something catastrophic off.
- czl 3y ago
  > The right sequence of videos sent to the right people could definitely set something catastrophic off. ...after amazing public world wide demos that show how real the AI generated videos can be? How long has Hollywood had similar "fictional videos" powers?
  - huytersd 3y ago
    Flat earth Billy can now make videos with a $20 subscription.
    - 8n4vidtmkvmk 3y ago
      I think that's great. Billy will feed his flat earther friends for a few weeks or months and pretty soon the entire world will wise up and be highly skeptical of any new such videos. The more of this that gets out there, the quicker people will learn. If it's 1 or 2 videos to spin an election... People might not get wise to it.
      - huytersd 3y ago
        Given the last 10 years I have no such faith in the common person.
    - WhrRTheBaboons 3y ago
      which will only continue to convince people if the technology stays safely locked away in possession of a single corp. if it were opened to public faking such videos would lose (nearly) all of its power
  - NoGravitas 3y ago
    > ...after amazing public world wide demos that show how real the AI generated videos can be? How quickly do you think our gerontocracy will adapt to the new reality?
ngcazz 3y ago
Make it high-enough fidelity, and it will be used to convince people to kill billions.
- jiggawatts 3y ago
  Video can convince people to kill each other now because it is assumed to show real things. Show people a Jew killing a Palestinian, and that will rile up the Muslims, or vice versa. When a significant fraction of video is generated content spat out by a bored teenager on 4chan, then people will stop trusting it, and hence it will no longer have the power to convince people to kill.
  - mengibar10 3y ago
    You don't need to generate fake videos for that example. State of Isreal have been killing Palestinians en masse for a long time and intensified the effort for the last 4 months. The death toll is 29,000+ and counting. Two thirds are children and women. Isreal media machinery parading photographs of damaged houses that could only be done by heavy artillery or tank shells blaming on rebels carrying infantry rifles. But I agree, as if the current tools were not enough to sway people they will have more means to sway public opinion.
    - ardaoweo 3y ago
      Hamas has similarly been shooting rockets into Israel for a long time. Eventually people get tired and stop caring about long-lasting conflicts, just like we don't care about concentration camps in North Korea and China, or various deadly civil wars in Sub-Saharan Africa, some of which have killed way more civilians than all wars in Palestinian history. One can already see support towards Ukraine fading as well, even though there Western countries would have a real geopolitical interest.
NoGravitas 3y ago
> An AI video generator can't kill billions of people, for one. Not directly. But I won't be surprised if AI video generators aren't somewhere in the chain of causes of gigadeaths this century.

jstummbillig 3y ago

> accountable to no one What do you mean? Are you being dramatic or do you actually believe that the US government will/can not absolutely shut OpenAI down, if they feel it was required to guarantee state order?

tavavex 3y ago
For the US government to step in, they'd have to do something extremely dangerous (and refuse to share with the government). If we're talking about video generation, the benefits they have are financial, and the lack of accountability is in that they can do things no one else can. I'm not saying they'll be allowed to break the law, there's plenty of space between the two extremes. Though, given how things were going, I can also see OpenAI teaming up with the US government and receiving exclusive privileges to run certain technologies for the sake of "safety". It's what Altman has already been pushing for.

huytersd 3y ago

I think it could. The right sequence of videos sent to the right people could definitely set something catastrophic off.

czl 3y ago
> The right sequence of videos sent to the right people could definitely set something catastrophic off. ...after amazing public world wide demos that show how real the AI generated videos can be? How long has Hollywood had similar "fictional videos" powers?
- huytersd 3y ago
  Flat earth Billy can now make videos with a $20 subscription.
  - 8n4vidtmkvmk 3y ago
    I think that's great. Billy will feed his flat earther friends for a few weeks or months and pretty soon the entire world will wise up and be highly skeptical of any new such videos. The more of this that gets out there, the quicker people will learn. If it's 1 or 2 videos to spin an election... People might not get wise to it.
    - huytersd 3y ago
      Given the last 10 years I have no such faith in the common person.
  - WhrRTheBaboons 3y ago
    which will only continue to convince people if the technology stays safely locked away in possession of a single corp. if it were opened to public faking such videos would lose (nearly) all of its power
- NoGravitas 3y ago
  > ...after amazing public world wide demos that show how real the AI generated videos can be? How quickly do you think our gerontocracy will adapt to the new reality?

ngcazz 3y ago

Make it high-enough fidelity, and it will be used to convince people to kill billions.

jiggawatts 3y ago
Video can convince people to kill each other now because it is assumed to show real things. Show people a Jew killing a Palestinian, and that will rile up the Muslims, or vice versa. When a significant fraction of video is generated content spat out by a bored teenager on 4chan, then people will stop trusting it, and hence it will no longer have the power to convince people to kill.
- mengibar10 3y ago
  You don't need to generate fake videos for that example. State of Isreal have been killing Palestinians en masse for a long time and intensified the effort for the last 4 months. The death toll is 29,000+ and counting. Two thirds are children and women. Isreal media machinery parading photographs of damaged houses that could only be done by heavy artillery or tank shells blaming on rebels carrying infantry rifles. But I agree, as if the current tools were not enough to sway people they will have more means to sway public opinion.
  - ardaoweo 3y ago
    Hamas has similarly been shooting rockets into Israel for a long time. Eventually people get tired and stop caring about long-lasting conflicts, just like we don't care about concentration camps in North Korea and China, or various deadly civil wars in Sub-Saharan Africa, some of which have killed way more civilians than all wars in Palestinian history. One can already see support towards Ukraine fading as well, even though there Western countries would have a real geopolitical interest.

NoGravitas 3y ago

> An AI video generator can't kill billions of people, for one. Not directly. But I won't be surprised if AI video generators aren't somewhere in the chain of causes of gigadeaths this century.