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It's thoroughly disappointing to see such anti-achievement vitriol on HN. HN is getting a bit too popular and populist, I guess. Reminds me of /. This is a s

by crusso 15y ago

It's thoroughly disappointing to see such anti-achievement vitriol on HN. HN is getting a bit too popular and populist, I guess. Reminds me of /. This is a site dedicated to entrepreneurialism, why would members be throwing so much rotten fruit at one of the (if not THE) most successful entrepreneurial effort of all time. Jobs showed the world through his initial time there and then his return to save the dying company that pursuing excellence relentlessly works. Pushing against the edges of your personal envelope every day works. It's so depressingly cynical to see inspirational words for new employees as useless self-serving platitudes. Just as easily, you could look at those words and realize that the motivation they're trying to deliver is what has made Apple so successful.

dsirijus 15y ago
'Enterpreneurial' is defined as 'willing to take risks in order to make a profit.' Yes, I've quit my nice day job to run a company on what was basically a bluff. Yes, I was literally hungry on more than one occasion. Yes, I don't have a clue how things will pan out within more than 3+ months with my company. Yet, I go on, and I'm not without an option to go back to comfort cave. There's nothing enterpreneurial in getting hired by Apple. By definition.
- sbuk 15y ago
  No-one has said otherwise. Some people do not want to take the risks that you have. That doesn't make them any less of a person or less ambitious, it means that they have different goals and priorities to you. If you weren't so wrapped up in hubris you might actually learn something from it.
  - dsirijus 15y ago
    Point taken on being wrapped up in hubris. But, what I failed to get through with the reply is the explanation why HN folk (enterpreneurs) might not resonate with the Apple message which is basically a pep talk for a non-enterpreneurial job position masqueraded as the opposite ("deep waters" ~ "risk taking").
    - crusso 15y ago
      The best entrepreneurs I've worked with kicked ass whether or not they were working for "the man". Great entrepreneurs live and breathe high quality work whether they're running the company or emptying the office garbage cans. To me, being an entrepreneur is a lot more about your propensity to excel rather than the particular role you're playing in a company.

by crusso 15y ago

dsirijus 15y ago

'Enterpreneurial' is defined as 'willing to take risks in order to make a profit.' Yes, I've quit my nice day job to run a company on what was basically a bluff. Yes, I was literally hungry on more than one occasion. Yes, I don't have a clue how things will pan out within more than 3+ months with my company. Yet, I go on, and I'm not without an option to go back to comfort cave. There's nothing enterpreneurial in getting hired by Apple. By definition.

sbuk 15y ago
No-one has said otherwise. Some people do not want to take the risks that you have. That doesn't make them any less of a person or less ambitious, it means that they have different goals and priorities to you. If you weren't so wrapped up in hubris you might actually learn something from it.
- dsirijus 15y ago
  Point taken on being wrapped up in hubris. But, what I failed to get through with the reply is the explanation why HN folk (enterpreneurs) might not resonate with the Apple message which is basically a pep talk for a non-enterpreneurial job position masqueraded as the opposite ("deep waters" ~ "risk taking").
  - crusso 15y ago
    The best entrepreneurs I've worked with kicked ass whether or not they were working for "the man". Great entrepreneurs live and breathe high quality work whether they're running the company or emptying the office garbage cans. To me, being an entrepreneur is a lot more about your propensity to excel rather than the particular role you're playing in a company.