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Yes, but that's because PWAs are poorly supported across platforms. This is a serious blow to the adoption and future of PWAs as a whole.

by mmcnl 3y ago

gjsman-1000 3y ago
I also don't buy that it's even a big tech conspiracy. Firefox (desktop) couldn't, and still can't, be bothered to care about PWA support. It's a dead tech. A neat idea, but dead. I think this is because, for most people - why would they care? Maybe if they have a cheap device that has low storage space. The people who cared most about PWA are developers who don't want to build apps or pay fees - but users don't give a darn about that.
- mmcnl 3y ago
  A lot of web technologies take years to achieve high adoption. The fact that it's not popular today says little about how popular it will be tomorrow.
  - gjsman-1000 3y ago
    And vice versa... there's also those technologies that never catch on. VRML? XUL? PointCast? WebSQL? Gears?
    - mmcnl 3y ago
      Of course. But PWA's biggest roadblock is poor platform support. So Apple actively going against PWAs is a major blow. And personally I'm a big fan of open standards and hate that I have to install an app through walled gardens for everything.
      - gjsman-1000 3y ago
        I agree on a technical level. I also recognize this is, unfortunately, something that only technically-inclined people care about. Your mom probably doesn't even understand why installing outside the App Store would ever be desirable. (This is not intended to be an insult - I'm trying to point out that I have never found any group in the "real world" that cares.)
        mmcnl 3y ago
        I agree with you largely, but it's not just about PWAs. It's about open standards vs closed ecosystems. Open standards limit the power of big tech companies like Apple and other gatekeepers. I can see how closed ecosystems benefit the user, but it also worries me how powerful big tech has become, and their power only seems to be growing. iMessage vs RCS is a similar case. Gatekeeper power abuse is not a theoretical problem, see Epic/Spotify vs Apple.

Yes, but that's because PWAs are poorly supported across platforms. This is a serious blow to the adoption and future of PWAs as a whole.

by mmcnl 3y ago

Yes, but that's because PWAs are poorly supported across platforms. This is a serious blow to the adoption and future of PWAs as a whole.

gjsman-1000 3y ago

I also don't buy that it's even a big tech conspiracy. Firefox (desktop) couldn't, and still can't, be bothered to care about PWA support. It's a dead tech. A neat idea, but dead. I think this is because, for most people - why would they care? Maybe if they have a cheap device that has low storage space. The people who cared most about PWA are developers who don't want to build apps or pay fees - but users don't give a darn about that.

mmcnl 3y ago
A lot of web technologies take years to achieve high adoption. The fact that it's not popular today says little about how popular it will be tomorrow.
- gjsman-1000 3y ago
  And vice versa... there's also those technologies that never catch on. VRML? XUL? PointCast? WebSQL? Gears?
  - mmcnl 3y ago
    Of course. But PWA's biggest roadblock is poor platform support. So Apple actively going against PWAs is a major blow. And personally I'm a big fan of open standards and hate that I have to install an app through walled gardens for everything.
    - gjsman-1000 3y ago
      I agree on a technical level. I also recognize this is, unfortunately, something that only technically-inclined people care about. Your mom probably doesn't even understand why installing outside the App Store would ever be desirable. (This is not intended to be an insult - I'm trying to point out that I have never found any group in the "real world" that cares.)
      - mmcnl 3y ago
        I agree with you largely, but it's not just about PWAs. It's about open standards vs closed ecosystems. Open standards limit the power of big tech companies like Apple and other gatekeepers. I can see how closed ecosystems benefit the user, but it also worries me how powerful big tech has become, and their power only seems to be growing. iMessage vs RCS is a similar case. Gatekeeper power abuse is not a theoretical problem, see Epic/Spotify vs Apple.