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This is 100% malicious compliance or spite from Apple. The DMA did not in any way require them to dump PWAs.

by jcotton42 3y ago

mikestew 3y ago
Apple argues otherwise, and I find their argument to be reasonable. What are the specifics of your disagreement?
- MrStonedOne 3y ago
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- szasamasa 3y ago
  a user can stay in safari if it trusts apple with web security a user can download spying native apps from the apple app store but I cannot decide to trust Google, Microsoft, Mozilla with their browser security sandbox?
- szasamasa 3y ago
  you are an apple bot I see otherwise why do you specifically care what browser engine choice I make? Apple could disable web capabilities in safari and let other engines do otherwise you CAN and SHOULD stay in Safari if you trust only apple browsers to be safe? what do you care if I use chrome and got fucked? (which I wont) do you want to tell me that I should not use macos, linux, windows android and firefox or edge or chrome because I may get fucked? you do not really understand that it is MY choice how I get fucked with a lastpass native app clone on apple or with a real chrome browser nobody stops you to stay by your webkit engine!
alwa 3y ago
It sounds like it would, though, require an engineering effort on par with building a new feature from scratch in order to support PWAs in the DMA environment. It makes sense that a firm might be willing to invest in minimal maintenance of a feature, but wouldn’t build it again if faced with the choice today. And the DMA forced the choice again today. Since ~nobody uses PWAs, or at least so few people that Apple can’t justify the effort to retain any advantages PWAs confer on its own browser/OS, doesn’t it become a business decision at that point?
- szasamasa 3y ago
  it is competition law it is also an effort to build access for disabled people the difference is Apple has practically disabled the web as an app store and in the future if it is possible to launch web apps on every platform, there will be 99% web apps apple is a big company and it is such a vital thing they can and will be forced what android, windows, linux, mac os(!) can do... it is like claiming not many disabled people wanted to use my services until now (huge stairs without lift or so) so I just do not want this 2 days and 0,000000001% of my monopolisitc budget to build access for them
szasamasa 3y ago
agree very WEAK arguments from apple, practically lies mac os users have been safe from service workers and web app capabilities using chrome and firefox and edge in the last 5-10 years surely apple is able to keep ios and ipados users safe from these scary other browser engines it is much easier to safeguard 3-10 other browser engines than millions of native apps in addition, do they really have to pay attention to other than chrome, edge and firefox? if somebody uses a chinese spy browser or a russian, the same when somebody downloads any other spying ot malicious native app do they even need to care about me optin out from safari on MY 1000 dollar iphone? what the fuck, I am not a child! keep safari safe and at max give me some warning before downloading chrome or firefox or whatever!

This is 100% malicious compliance or spite from Apple. The DMA did not in any way require them to dump PWAs.

mikestew 3y ago

Apple argues otherwise, and I find their argument to be reasonable. What are the specifics of your disagreement?

MrStonedOne 3y ago
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szasamasa 3y ago
a user can stay in safari if it trusts apple with web security a user can download spying native apps from the apple app store but I cannot decide to trust Google, Microsoft, Mozilla with their browser security sandbox?
szasamasa 3y ago
you are an apple bot I see otherwise why do you specifically care what browser engine choice I make? Apple could disable web capabilities in safari and let other engines do otherwise you CAN and SHOULD stay in Safari if you trust only apple browsers to be safe? what do you care if I use chrome and got fucked? (which I wont) do you want to tell me that I should not use macos, linux, windows android and firefox or edge or chrome because I may get fucked? you do not really understand that it is MY choice how I get fucked with a lastpass native app clone on apple or with a real chrome browser nobody stops you to stay by your webkit engine!

alwa 3y ago

It sounds like it would, though, require an engineering effort on par with building a new feature from scratch in order to support PWAs in the DMA environment. It makes sense that a firm might be willing to invest in minimal maintenance of a feature, but wouldn’t build it again if faced with the choice today. And the DMA forced the choice again today. Since ~nobody uses PWAs, or at least so few people that Apple can’t justify the effort to retain any advantages PWAs confer on its own browser/OS, doesn’t it become a business decision at that point?

szasamasa 3y ago
it is competition law it is also an effort to build access for disabled people the difference is Apple has practically disabled the web as an app store and in the future if it is possible to launch web apps on every platform, there will be 99% web apps apple is a big company and it is such a vital thing they can and will be forced what android, windows, linux, mac os(!) can do... it is like claiming not many disabled people wanted to use my services until now (huge stairs without lift or so) so I just do not want this 2 days and 0,000000001% of my monopolisitc budget to build access for them

szasamasa 3y ago

agree very WEAK arguments from apple, practically lies mac os users have been safe from service workers and web app capabilities using chrome and firefox and edge in the last 5-10 years surely apple is able to keep ios and ipados users safe from these scary other browser engines it is much easier to safeguard 3-10 other browser engines than millions of native apps in addition, do they really have to pay attention to other than chrome, edge and firefox? if somebody uses a chinese spy browser or a russian, the same when somebody downloads any other spying ot malicious native app do they even need to care about me optin out from safari on MY 1000 dollar iphone? what the fuck, I am not a child! keep safari safe and at max give me some warning before downloading chrome or firefox or whatever!