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Why do we care? Ashai Linux is obviously a high-IQ effort and we are very fortunate they are motivated to work on this instead of something else (like ML)

HideousKojima 3y ago
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- delroth 3y ago
  Your obsession with how people decide to present themselves is what's creepy and weird.
  - HideousKojima 3y ago
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    - dj_mc_merlin 3y ago
      Some parts of the programming community has always embraced counterculture/things the public sees as bizzare. Surprise surprise, it's also the part that spends a lot more on the computer than even the already addicted average programmer. So they tend to be godly at the craft compared to us lesser mortals that still maintain some normal social behaviour and they can produce amazing stuff like this. Be thankful for it.
      - vdaea 3y ago
        You can be thankful for the work done and still think marcan acts weird and is off-putting with his "asahi" vtuber persona.
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        tux3 3y ago
        We knew you could, but you might as well not. Even if you don't see the empathy angle, who benefits from alienating people who do amazing work for free?
        RedComet 3y ago
        Even if you restrict his work to technology, it might be a wash at best. Wasn't he one of those leading the charge in getting Cloudflare to drop a site due to bullying allegations? I think I'd rather have Cloudflare be neutral than have a few Linux drivers for new MacBooks a couple of years sooner than otherwise.
        throw10920 3y ago
        > Wasn't he one of those leading the charge in getting Cloudflare to drop a site due to bullying allegations? Yikes, is this true? That would be wild - do you have sources?
        RedComet 3y ago
        I didn't follow the saga as closely as I should have, perhaps, given the gravity. But this* didn't take long to find, only shortly preceding the issue. * https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1409176583433179137 https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1409176583433179137
        vdaea 3y ago
        But I don't see it as alienating. Marcan seems an intelligent person so he knows that his vtuber persona is weird. I suppose other people noticing and commenting on it is something he likes or even encourages. It's like... people who dye their hair green, or who wear thick golden chains or teeth grills. They want the attention.
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    - louthy 3y ago
      What’s “normal”? You?
      - HideousKojima 3y ago
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        pests 3y ago
        People have used pen names all the time. Look at you, HideousKojima. What's your real name? Why do you pretend to be this online alias? Is it normal to hide your identity and interact as if you were someone else?
        HideousKojima 3y ago
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        orangecat 3y ago
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    - WesolyKubeczek 3y ago
      I'm wondering if you call authors using pen names "weird". If I ever at all did youtube videos of anything at all, I would more likely than not adopt some persona (and give it a weird accent to boot) so it would distinctly be not "me".
    - sunshowers 3y ago
      As someone who is weird along many dimensions, I do expect people to treat harmless weirdness as normal. Expanding the set of acceptable behaviors to encompass all harmless ones is an important part of social progress.
    - polotics 3y ago
      Maybe consider that the loudness you resent is the result of reflexivity, and in a world where no-one would flip an eyelid over such persona creation and whatnot, there would only be the loudness you'd mistakenly perceive.
  - beatshift 3y ago
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- porphyra 3y ago
  Bruh there's a huge difference between murdering your wife and being a vtuber. The latter has never hurt anyone.
- numpad0 3y ago
  Take it with as much grains of salt as you want: IMO we're watching anime eat the world, Just like software did. Anime style audio-visual stimuli are synthetic data with human and its sexual drive in loop, now also connected with Internet mob judgement system like Twitter for a decade or so. Instagram style beauty filters and Diffusion ML models are no technical match, as their feedback loops are much longer, more constricted by ideologisms as well as by physicality. Some platforms like TikTok and App Store had been fighting to un-realize the shift but that's only been delaying eventuality. We are already seeing increasingly beautified Tim Cook, anthropomorphized Earth, and two Chinese anime games on Apple presentations last year, there's only going to be more.
faitswulff 3y ago
I actually don’t care, and I think the community is better off being explicitly welcoming of folks of all kinds.
RobotToaster 3y ago
People mostly care that he wants to censor anyone mentioning it. Streisand effect basically.

HideousKojima 3y ago

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delroth 3y ago
Your obsession with how people decide to present themselves is what's creepy and weird.
- HideousKojima 3y ago
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  - dj_mc_merlin 3y ago
    Some parts of the programming community has always embraced counterculture/things the public sees as bizzare. Surprise surprise, it's also the part that spends a lot more on the computer than even the already addicted average programmer. So they tend to be godly at the craft compared to us lesser mortals that still maintain some normal social behaviour and they can produce amazing stuff like this. Be thankful for it.
    - vdaea 3y ago
      You can be thankful for the work done and still think marcan acts weird and is off-putting with his "asahi" vtuber persona.
      - deleted 3y ago
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      - tux3 3y ago
        We knew you could, but you might as well not. Even if you don't see the empathy angle, who benefits from alienating people who do amazing work for free?
        RedComet 3y ago
        Even if you restrict his work to technology, it might be a wash at best. Wasn't he one of those leading the charge in getting Cloudflare to drop a site due to bullying allegations? I think I'd rather have Cloudflare be neutral than have a few Linux drivers for new MacBooks a couple of years sooner than otherwise.
        throw10920 3y ago
        > Wasn't he one of those leading the charge in getting Cloudflare to drop a site due to bullying allegations? Yikes, is this true? That would be wild - do you have sources?
        RedComet 3y ago
        I didn't follow the saga as closely as I should have, perhaps, given the gravity. But this* didn't take long to find, only shortly preceding the issue. * https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1409176583433179137 https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1409176583433179137
        vdaea 3y ago
        But I don't see it as alienating. Marcan seems an intelligent person so he knows that his vtuber persona is weird. I suppose other people noticing and commenting on it is something he likes or even encourages. It's like... people who dye their hair green, or who wear thick golden chains or teeth grills. They want the attention.
      - deleted 3y ago
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  - louthy 3y ago
    What’s “normal”? You?
    - HideousKojima 3y ago
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      - pests 3y ago
        People have used pen names all the time. Look at you, HideousKojima. What's your real name? Why do you pretend to be this online alias? Is it normal to hide your identity and interact as if you were someone else?
        HideousKojima 3y ago
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        orangecat 3y ago
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      - deleted 3y ago
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  - WesolyKubeczek 3y ago
    I'm wondering if you call authors using pen names "weird". If I ever at all did youtube videos of anything at all, I would more likely than not adopt some persona (and give it a weird accent to boot) so it would distinctly be not "me".
  - sunshowers 3y ago
    As someone who is weird along many dimensions, I do expect people to treat harmless weirdness as normal. Expanding the set of acceptable behaviors to encompass all harmless ones is an important part of social progress.
  - polotics 3y ago
    Maybe consider that the loudness you resent is the result of reflexivity, and in a world where no-one would flip an eyelid over such persona creation and whatnot, there would only be the loudness you'd mistakenly perceive.
- beatshift 3y ago
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porphyra 3y ago
Bruh there's a huge difference between murdering your wife and being a vtuber. The latter has never hurt anyone.
numpad0 3y ago
Take it with as much grains of salt as you want: IMO we're watching anime eat the world, Just like software did. Anime style audio-visual stimuli are synthetic data with human and its sexual drive in loop, now also connected with Internet mob judgement system like Twitter for a decade or so. Instagram style beauty filters and Diffusion ML models are no technical match, as their feedback loops are much longer, more constricted by ideologisms as well as by physicality. Some platforms like TikTok and App Store had been fighting to un-realize the shift but that's only been delaying eventuality. We are already seeing increasingly beautified Tim Cook, anthropomorphized Earth, and two Chinese anime games on Apple presentations last year, there's only going to be more.

faitswulff 3y ago

I actually don’t care, and I think the community is better off being explicitly welcoming of folks of all kinds.

RobotToaster 3y ago

People mostly care that he wants to censor anyone mentioning it. Streisand effect basically.