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It's not clear how the "Catalyst Research Alliance" is associated with University of Michigan. It's not hosted on umich.edu, there's no information on https://c
by reaperman 3y ago
It's not clear how the "Catalyst Research Alliance" is associated with University of Michigan. It's not hosted on umich.edu, there's no information on https://catalystresearch.io https://catalystresearch.io [0] about any agreements or partnership with UMich, and there's not even any information at all on any people running "Catalyst Research Alliance" -- which is normal for shady SaaS startups but very very unusual for academic research alliances. It's not clear that Catalyst Research Alliance obtained the rights to "re-sell" the database.
I believe the datasets are available for free here on UMich.edu[1]: So it's not clear that "CRA" has a "right" to "license" these to anyone. CRA also "licenses" this freely available genomics database: https://ctdbase.org https://ctdbase.org [2]
IANAL, but per LinkedIn[3], the CRA founder Doug Eisner is one (Boston University Law, 1992). Perhaps he knows something I don't about selling licenses to other people's intellectual property.
The MICASE license at umich.edu states:
MICASE Fair Use Statement[4]
MICASE is owned by the Regents of the University of Michigan, who hold the copyright. The database has been developed by the English Language Institute, and the web interface by Digital Library Production Services. The database is freely available at the MICASE website for study, teaching and research purposes, and copies of the transcripts may be distributed, as long as either this statement of availability or the citation given below appears in the text. However, if any portion of this material is to be used for commercial purposes, such as for textbooks or tests, permission must be obtained in advance and a license fee may be required.
MICUSP Fair Use Statement[5]
The Michigan Corpus of Upper-Level Student Papers (MICUSP) is owned by the Regents of the University of Michigan (UM), who hold the copyright. The corpus has been developed by researchers at the UM English Language Institute. The corpus files are freely available for study, research and teaching. However, if any portion of this material is to be used for commercial purposes, such as for textbooks or tests, permission must be obtained in advance and a license fee may be required.
The Comparative Toxicogenomics Database[6]
CTDTM is provided to enhance knowledge and encourage progress in the scientific community. It is to be used only for research and educational purposes. Medical treatment decisions should not be made based on the information in CTD. Any reproduction or use for commercial purpose is prohibited without the prior express written permission of the MDI Biological Laboratory and NC State University.
So the HN headline is slightly wrong. The University of Michigan is making this data available for free for non-profit or academic research purposes, and also offers custom commercial licensing for the datasets. It's possible that CRA is running a legitimate license reselling service with dubious value-add services on top, but it's definitely not clear what their relationships with these universities really are.
0: https://catalystresearch.io https://catalystresearch.io
1: https://lsa.umich.edu/eli/language-resources/micase-micusp.html https://lsa.umich.edu/eli/language-resources/micase-micusp.h...
2: https://ctdbase.org https://ctdbase.org
3: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougeisner/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougeisner/
4: https://lsa.umich.edu/content/dam/eli-assets/elidocuments/MICASE%20Fair%20Use%20Statement.pdf https://lsa.umich.edu/content/dam/eli-assets/elidocuments/MI...
5: https://lsa.umich.edu/content/dam/eli-assets/elidocuments/MICUSP%20Fair%20Use%20Statement.pdf https://lsa.umich.edu/content/dam/eli-assets/elidocuments/MI...
6: https://ctdbase.org/about/legal.jsp https://ctdbase.org/about/legal.jsp
- ipython 3y agoGreat research! Hilarious that the dataset link you provided just happens to have the exact same number of texts available for download as are available in this "commercial" dataset: > Showing 1 to 20 of 829 papers
- wolverine876 3y ago> Hilarious that the dataset link you provided just happens to have the exact same number of texts available for download as are available in this "commercial" dataset I don't understand - didn't the GP say it is the same database?
- ipython 3y agoIn case it wasn't obvious, I meant no sarcasm when I said great research. The GP did a fabulous job digging up context and researching where this data may have been sourced from. Yes, they did say it looked like the same dataset (I assume the GP has not actually purchased the commercial data set to confirm, but like me, saw that the number of texts is coincidentally exactly the same between the two)
- reaperman 3y agoI did very much appreciate your appreciation. Mostly though I was just a bit more thorough than others would be. If I was clever at all, it was only in identifying what exactly would be best to copy/paste. I keyed in on 'Michigan Corpus of Academic Spoken English' and 'Michigan Corpus of Upper-Level Student Papers' on this page[0] and the simplest copy/paste google searches led me directly to the UMich page for the datasets which share that exact name[1]. I did notice the rest of the details were identical, but honestly had already lost good-faith and stopped 'evaluating' once I saw the perfectly matching dataset names. I have very little faith in the tech / SaaS industry, and generally I am quick to assume people are grifters. Particularly for sites with no social proof established by reputation from a wide userbase and a convincing 'about us' with actual people's bios and real contact information. I get irrationally angry about for-profit license violations of 'free-ish' intellectual property, because of how hard capitalists come down on people like Aaron Swartz, Kim Dotcom, and scores of teenagers using Napster or Bittorrent when I was young. So I plunge a bit deeper into them than is rational. I strongly identify with superficially irrational efforts like Naomi Wu's[2]. 0: https://archive.is/QLqZT https://archive.is/QLqZT / https://llm-academic-speech-data.catalystresearch.io/ https://llm-academic-speech-data.catalystresearch.io/ 1: https://lsa.umich.edu/eli/language-resources/micase-micusp.html https://lsa.umich.edu/eli/language-resources/micase-micusp.h... 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj04MKykmnQ&vl=en https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj04MKykmnQ&vl=en