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>Addressing the complex security and privacy concerns associated with web apps using alternative browser engines would require building an entirely new integrat

by Ezhik 3y ago

>Addressing the complex security and privacy concerns associated with web apps using alternative browser engines would require building an entirely new integration architecture that does not currently exist in iOS and was not practical to undertake given the other demands of the DMA and the very low user adoption of Home Screen web apps. This makes me worried Apple will remove PWA support altogether.

mmcnl 3y ago
This basically kills progressive web apps. The premise of PWA is that it can run on any device. If PWAs can't run on EU iPhones, quite a big market, then it makes zero sense for developers to invest in building PWAs. So unfortunate.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  >it makes zero sense for developers to invest in building PWAs I can't see this as anything but a solid win for end users. I am fucking tired of non-native, JavaShit-laden "web apps" that each demand a dozen web browser processes and run like drunken dogs on a Friday night.
  - idle_zealot 3y ago
    This does nothing to address that issue. Developers will still make their cross-platform apps with web tech, but now they also have to ship a native wrapper to get onto the homescreen.
  - mmcnl 3y ago
    I prefer open standards over walled gardens of mega corporations.
- gjsman-1000 3y ago
  To be honest, outside of Hacker News and other "nerd" circles, I have never heard anyone talk about PWAs. Outside our circles, I would not be shocked if literally nobody cares about them. Basically dead on arrival. The only place I've really seen them talked about is the Microsoft Store, where they can be sold as apps. They also all have 2 stars or less with people screeching "PWA - not an app!"
  - mmcnl 3y ago
    Yes, but that's because PWAs are poorly supported across platforms. This is a serious blow to the adoption and future of PWAs as a whole.
    - gjsman-1000 3y ago
      I also don't buy that it's even a big tech conspiracy. Firefox (desktop) couldn't, and still can't, be bothered to care about PWA support. It's a dead tech. A neat idea, but dead. I think this is because, for most people - why would they care? Maybe if they have a cheap device that has low storage space. The people who cared most about PWA are developers who don't want to build apps or pay fees - but users don't give a darn about that.
      - mmcnl 3y ago
        A lot of web technologies take years to achieve high adoption. The fact that it's not popular today says little about how popular it will be tomorrow.
        gjsman-1000 3y ago
        And vice versa... there's also those technologies that never catch on. VRML? XUL? PointCast? WebSQL? Gears?
        mmcnl 3y ago
        Of course. But PWA's biggest roadblock is poor platform support. So Apple actively going against PWAs is a major blow. And personally I'm a big fan of open standards and hate that I have to install an app through walled gardens for everything.
        gjsman-1000 3y ago
        I agree on a technical level. I also recognize this is, unfortunately, something that only technically-inclined people care about. Your mom probably doesn't even understand why installing outside the App Store would ever be desirable. (This is not intended to be an insult - I'm trying to point out that I have never found any group in the "real world" that cares.)
- lxgr 3y ago
  Yeah, it effectively forces all but the largest mobile app developers to commit to native iOS apps. Apple is definitely happy about this. PWAs always seemed like a regulatory fig leaf more than something they really care about.
- snapcaster 3y ago
  Hopefully! I hate PWAs, would be nice silver lining
dangus 3y ago
It's as if developing an operating system with the assumption that it will only ever support one browsing engine forever was misguided in the first place.
6510 3y ago
> very low user adoption I first had to add the add to homescreen button to the share menu with the "Edit Actions" option. If I search add to homescreen button missing I find nothing... or worse actually. They say to restart safari, restart the phone and then reinstall iOS. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8345497?sortBy=best https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8345497?sortBy=best I've considered making a page on my website explaining how to do this but it smells to much like something the user is not suppose to do. It's asking a lot? Very suspicious? Am I getting hacked?

by Ezhik 3y ago

mmcnl 3y ago

This basically kills progressive web apps. The premise of PWA is that it can run on any device. If PWAs can't run on EU iPhones, quite a big market, then it makes zero sense for developers to invest in building PWAs. So unfortunate.

Dalewyn 3y ago
>it makes zero sense for developers to invest in building PWAs I can't see this as anything but a solid win for end users. I am fucking tired of non-native, JavaShit-laden "web apps" that each demand a dozen web browser processes and run like drunken dogs on a Friday night.
- idle_zealot 3y ago
  This does nothing to address that issue. Developers will still make their cross-platform apps with web tech, but now they also have to ship a native wrapper to get onto the homescreen.
- mmcnl 3y ago
  I prefer open standards over walled gardens of mega corporations.
gjsman-1000 3y ago
To be honest, outside of Hacker News and other "nerd" circles, I have never heard anyone talk about PWAs. Outside our circles, I would not be shocked if literally nobody cares about them. Basically dead on arrival. The only place I've really seen them talked about is the Microsoft Store, where they can be sold as apps. They also all have 2 stars or less with people screeching "PWA - not an app!"
- mmcnl 3y ago
  Yes, but that's because PWAs are poorly supported across platforms. This is a serious blow to the adoption and future of PWAs as a whole.
  - gjsman-1000 3y ago
    I also don't buy that it's even a big tech conspiracy. Firefox (desktop) couldn't, and still can't, be bothered to care about PWA support. It's a dead tech. A neat idea, but dead. I think this is because, for most people - why would they care? Maybe if they have a cheap device that has low storage space. The people who cared most about PWA are developers who don't want to build apps or pay fees - but users don't give a darn about that.
    - mmcnl 3y ago
      A lot of web technologies take years to achieve high adoption. The fact that it's not popular today says little about how popular it will be tomorrow.
      - gjsman-1000 3y ago
        And vice versa... there's also those technologies that never catch on. VRML? XUL? PointCast? WebSQL? Gears?
        mmcnl 3y ago
        Of course. But PWA's biggest roadblock is poor platform support. So Apple actively going against PWAs is a major blow. And personally I'm a big fan of open standards and hate that I have to install an app through walled gardens for everything.
        gjsman-1000 3y ago
        I agree on a technical level. I also recognize this is, unfortunately, something that only technically-inclined people care about. Your mom probably doesn't even understand why installing outside the App Store would ever be desirable. (This is not intended to be an insult - I'm trying to point out that I have never found any group in the "real world" that cares.)
lxgr 3y ago
Yeah, it effectively forces all but the largest mobile app developers to commit to native iOS apps. Apple is definitely happy about this. PWAs always seemed like a regulatory fig leaf more than something they really care about.
snapcaster 3y ago
Hopefully! I hate PWAs, would be nice silver lining

dangus 3y ago

It's as if developing an operating system with the assumption that it will only ever support one browsing engine forever was misguided in the first place.

6510 3y ago

> very low user adoption I first had to add the add to homescreen button to the share menu with the "Edit Actions" option. If I search add to homescreen button missing I find nothing... or worse actually. They say to restart safari, restart the phone and then reinstall iOS. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8345497?sortBy=best https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8345497?sortBy=best I've considered making a page on my website explaining how to do this but it smells to much like something the user is not suppose to do. It's asking a lot? Very suspicious? Am I getting hacked?