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This has to be a joke right? ----------------------------------------- One-time License Fee Academic Speech Dataset: $15,595 Academic Papers Dataset: $12,59

by htrp 3y ago

This has to be a joke right? ----------------------------------------- One-time License Fee Academic Speech Dataset: $15,595 Academic Papers Dataset: $12,595 Combined Academic Speech & Papers Datasets: $25,000 --------------------------------------------------- Speech Dataset: 85 hours of high-quality audio recordings in mp3 format Papers Dataset: 829 student papers in txt format

gamepsys 3y ago
Charge a student $800 in tutition and fees to attend a class. Student writes 3 good papers in the class. License the three papers to 10 AI models for $45 for a total of $450. College increases student revenue by >50%. This setup is clearly unfair and feels predatory. Anyone that has been in a graduate lab that was working on a project actually worth money has seen this side of college before. However, this new marketplace introduces an interesting line of questioning. Can undergraudates/graduate students generate enough novel training data to cover their tuition? Will the 21st century scholar most valuable output be high quality material for LLMs to digest. I'd love to see a metric for determining how valuable a document is to an LLM. How accurate is the data, how much new knowledge does it add, how relevant is it to users of the LLM. If we can value a document accurately we can create a marketplace for individuals to license their creative output.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  > Charge a student $800 in tutition and fees to attend a class. Isn't that off by a factor of ~10? $800 x 4 classes/semester x 2 semesters = $6,400/year. I don't know how much U. of Michigan charges, but I expect it's closer to $64K than $6.4K.
  - gamepsys 3y ago
    I just checked and Michigian's in-state tuition is currently $17,228/semester[0]. Yeah, cost of tuition is very wrong. Using this new number -- which is just a more accurate estimation -- the student tuition for the class is $4,300 and ten licenses for an output of 3 papers would be a ~10% increase in revenue per student. [0] https://admissions.umich.edu/costs-aid/costs https://admissions.umich.edu/costs-aid/costs
    - jacurtis 3y ago
      Graduate tuition is usually even more expensive than undergrad. So I bet graduate students are paying ~15-20% more than this from my previous experience of graduate tuition. This data dump is loading research papers, which is going to primarily come from Graduate/Doctoral students
      - wolverine876 3y ago
        It says the papers are from juniors, seniors, and grad students, or something like that.
  - dgfitz 3y ago
    In-state tuition 16,736 USD, Out-of-state tuition 55,334 USD Edit: sibling comment is more accurate and provided a link. Ignore these numbers, but note they are close.
- nonrandomstring 3y ago
  It's kinda nice to see things like this causing us to rethink the value of our time and relations with each other. Even slaves just work for nothing. Students are the only group of people who pay to work.
- araes 3y ago
  I think the question I'm interested in is: Whether the students at University of Michigan are allowed to opt out of their own data sales, or: Request a percent license of the profits from the University selling their work afterward?
  - gamepsys 3y ago
    Many second tier colleges are having a recruiting problem. I think a license share would be an appealing selling point to attract new students.
happytiger 3y ago
People really do not understand the value of their data. It’s incredible. They think in 10s and 20s, but the reality is 1,000s. Wouldn’t it be nice if we owned the work we created instead of always having it assigned to the network nearest extractive company or institution? Big money understands. Just look at how agritech data is getting locked up by companies — the value of the data is astounding. Much of the university stuff is free for research or non-profit use, which is great, but if you want to use it commercially you have to pay big bucks. And not everyone who uses it commercially pays, let’s be honest. Ethical behavior isn’t the persuit of everyone in the management class.
- carolynparrus 3y ago
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- EnigmaFlare 3y ago
  There's an exchange of value - the organization that can use your data provides some value to you which is why use use it instead of just doing things on your own. You can actually just do things on your own and keep all the IP for yourself, even academic research in many low-capital-intensive fields - as long as you're actually doing it for the science and not for stupid credentials or stupid zero-sum career progression like most academics seem to. I've often used university research commercially. I just read a published paper and apply it to my business. No permission, no payment, it's just wide open free for anyone.
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- janalsncm 3y ago
  If you do the math, it’s about $15/paper, not thousands. And the papers are really only valuable in aggregate.
  - happytiger 3y ago
    I wasn’t making reference to the value of the papers, but the larger theme of people misunderstanding the value of their data.
paxys 3y ago
It's a joke that they are selling it for so cheap.
carlystaff74 3y ago
The recordings in mp3 format, especially transcribed, could be quite valuable for testing.

by htrp 3y ago

gamepsys 3y ago

Charge a student $800 in tutition and fees to attend a class. Student writes 3 good papers in the class. License the three papers to 10 AI models for $45 for a total of $450. College increases student revenue by >50%. This setup is clearly unfair and feels predatory. Anyone that has been in a graduate lab that was working on a project actually worth money has seen this side of college before. However, this new marketplace introduces an interesting line of questioning. Can undergraudates/graduate students generate enough novel training data to cover their tuition? Will the 21st century scholar most valuable output be high quality material for LLMs to digest. I'd love to see a metric for determining how valuable a document is to an LLM. How accurate is the data, how much new knowledge does it add, how relevant is it to users of the LLM. If we can value a document accurately we can create a marketplace for individuals to license their creative output.

wolverine876 3y ago
> Charge a student $800 in tutition and fees to attend a class. Isn't that off by a factor of ~10? $800 x 4 classes/semester x 2 semesters = $6,400/year. I don't know how much U. of Michigan charges, but I expect it's closer to $64K than $6.4K.
- gamepsys 3y ago
  I just checked and Michigian's in-state tuition is currently $17,228/semester[0]. Yeah, cost of tuition is very wrong. Using this new number -- which is just a more accurate estimation -- the student tuition for the class is $4,300 and ten licenses for an output of 3 papers would be a ~10% increase in revenue per student. [0] https://admissions.umich.edu/costs-aid/costs https://admissions.umich.edu/costs-aid/costs
  - jacurtis 3y ago
    Graduate tuition is usually even more expensive than undergrad. So I bet graduate students are paying ~15-20% more than this from my previous experience of graduate tuition. This data dump is loading research papers, which is going to primarily come from Graduate/Doctoral students
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      It says the papers are from juniors, seniors, and grad students, or something like that.
- dgfitz 3y ago
  In-state tuition 16,736 USD, Out-of-state tuition 55,334 USD Edit: sibling comment is more accurate and provided a link. Ignore these numbers, but note they are close.
nonrandomstring 3y ago
It's kinda nice to see things like this causing us to rethink the value of our time and relations with each other. Even slaves just work for nothing. Students are the only group of people who pay to work.
araes 3y ago
I think the question I'm interested in is: Whether the students at University of Michigan are allowed to opt out of their own data sales, or: Request a percent license of the profits from the University selling their work afterward?
- gamepsys 3y ago
  Many second tier colleges are having a recruiting problem. I think a license share would be an appealing selling point to attract new students.

happytiger 3y ago

People really do not understand the value of their data. It’s incredible. They think in 10s and 20s, but the reality is 1,000s. Wouldn’t it be nice if we owned the work we created instead of always having it assigned to the network nearest extractive company or institution? Big money understands. Just look at how agritech data is getting locked up by companies — the value of the data is astounding. Much of the university stuff is free for research or non-profit use, which is great, but if you want to use it commercially you have to pay big bucks. And not everyone who uses it commercially pays, let’s be honest. Ethical behavior isn’t the persuit of everyone in the management class.

carolynparrus 3y ago
[dead]
EnigmaFlare 3y ago
There's an exchange of value - the organization that can use your data provides some value to you which is why use use it instead of just doing things on your own. You can actually just do things on your own and keep all the IP for yourself, even academic research in many low-capital-intensive fields - as long as you're actually doing it for the science and not for stupid credentials or stupid zero-sum career progression like most academics seem to. I've often used university research commercially. I just read a published paper and apply it to my business. No permission, no payment, it's just wide open free for anyone.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
janalsncm 3y ago
If you do the math, it’s about $15/paper, not thousands. And the papers are really only valuable in aggregate.
- happytiger 3y ago
  I wasn’t making reference to the value of the papers, but the larger theme of people misunderstanding the value of their data.

paxys 3y ago

It's a joke that they are selling it for so cheap.

carlystaff74 3y ago

The recordings in mp3 format, especially transcribed, could be quite valuable for testing.