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I already stopped using Google for most programming questions, I ask ChatGPT instead. Recency of results is an issue though, but I think if OpenAI nails a way t

I already stopped using Google for most programming questions, I ask ChatGPT instead. Recency of results is an issue though, but I think if OpenAI nails a way to e.g. search for products or services they will be able to disrupt Google easily. Most content you find on Google is SEO trash, an LLM agent should be able to cut through that for me and save quite a lot of time.

jbverschoor 3y ago
OpenAI needs to be fast (few ms), and be able to show sources (links)
- bozhark 3y ago
  It needs to not advertise.
- Isthatablackgsd 3y ago
  I recommend Phind if you want to sources.
  - jbverschoor 3y ago
    Interesting take! Quick results (not as quick as google) + a summary / answer to the question. I just would like to be able to disable: "To improve our service, we may anonymously log your search queries and their associated results" I know google does the same, but there's more control there, and a large company is less likely to look into my specific queries.
- mixedCase 3y ago
  Does it, though? I do wonder if we just have set up a false expectation of how search ought to work. I want answers to problems I have, 20-30 seconds for a good quality answer will very, very often be vastly preferred over 200ms and results I'll have to frequently delve deeper into myself, and I am not adding any less than 30 seconds in most cases. I'm happy to use a !bang to indicate what kind of response I want. I'm not the average user but people understand the difference between asking your roommate who's right there and asking a professional about something, so this doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
  - jbverschoor 3y ago
    I tried to use chatgpt to search for many things, but it's just too slow for the amount I use google. Adding the lengthy prompts does not help. Performance is a feature
- jsheard 3y ago
  It also needs to be profitable, obviously their free tier is a money sink but I think it's currently unclear whether even their paid tiers are net-positive. Even if they provide a better service, if it's only feasible to run when subsidised by the AI hype-wave VC money firehose then it's not going to last.
- CodeWriter23 3y ago
  There is a trade off between processing time and quality of result's that pays off if the first result is the answer sought.
  - jbverschoor 3y ago
    Very true.. I resort to chatgpt if things are not clear enough, when I need a broader picture, or when I want to have a discussion about the matter. Note the 'resort'. Huge opportunity here indeed
    - CodeWriter23 3y ago
      This is about infra rollout. The thing for Google is they can’t just slap Bard on the home page because it would be flattened in 10 seconds unless they massively invest in GPU resource. So what’s Google’s play here? Charge money to deliver ads to people? A startup otoh can start small and grow as revenues are received.
      - jbverschoor 3y ago
        The play? Advice people on what to buy. Have a conversation about the user's needs. Discover latent needs. They have the opportunity to do automated solution sales.
        CodeWriter23 3y ago
        "Bard Qualified Leads", they can charge a commission instead of CPM. Genius!
- arrowsmith 3y ago
  OpenAI is already far faster than Google. Sure, Google returns your search results very quickly, but it then takes me forever to sift through the results and tweak my search query until I _maybe_ find an answer to my question, and I'm finding more and more that no matter how long I take, Google can't give me the answer at all. GPT-4 takes maybe 15-30 seconds to spit out a precise, detailed answer to exactly what I asked for, and it's usually the correct answer, or at least it's close enough. It would have to get a _lot_ slower to make me go back to Google.
faitswulff 3y ago
I've been using phind almost exclusively because it cites sources in the sidebar and it's free if you use their model. If I need code generated, ChatGPT will generally do a better job, though.
CodeWriter23 3y ago
I had a Vue question and Google was utterly useless and ChatGPT was giving only answers about the Options (legacy) API. I needed answers for the Composition API. So I told ChatGPT this is syntax for Options <code> and this is syntax for Composition <code> please restrict your answers to Composition examples and it worked.
- syspec 3y ago
  Sounds like you're on the free version of Chat GPT. What was your prompt?
  - CodeWriter23 3y ago
    This was after going a few rounds of prompting in a more search-engine style for pinia, the composition api syntax is in the form: "defineStore('myStore', () => {})" and options api of the form: "defineStore('myStore', {})", using this definition, please show an example of using pinia and reactive() with the composition api instead of the options api results previously shown. thanks
davidbarker 3y ago
This is one of the things I like about Cursor (https://cursor.sh/ https://cursor.sh/, a fork of VS Code that adds AI features). It uses GPT (I believe they're running their own fine-tuned version), and allows you to '@' items like your files, folders, and (most impressively) any documentation. So, if I'm working on something that uses React Hook Form, I can paste the URL to the RHF documentation. Cursor will index it (presumably creating embeddings for each page), and then I just '@' the RHF documentation in the chat and it'll find the relevant pages and include it them the context for GPT to answer. It's very useful. I already subscribe to ChatGPT Plus but Cursor adds something special that I'm more than happy to subscribe to Cursor too.
- bosquefrio 3y ago
  How did you find out about Cursor?
NegativeK 3y ago
> Most content you find on Google is SEO trash, an LLM agent should be able to cut through that for me and save quite a lot of time. I don't believe this will last.

jbverschoor 3y ago

OpenAI needs to be fast (few ms), and be able to show sources (links)

bozhark 3y ago
It needs to not advertise.
Isthatablackgsd 3y ago
I recommend Phind if you want to sources.
- jbverschoor 3y ago
  Interesting take! Quick results (not as quick as google) + a summary / answer to the question. I just would like to be able to disable: "To improve our service, we may anonymously log your search queries and their associated results" I know google does the same, but there's more control there, and a large company is less likely to look into my specific queries.
mixedCase 3y ago
Does it, though? I do wonder if we just have set up a false expectation of how search ought to work. I want answers to problems I have, 20-30 seconds for a good quality answer will very, very often be vastly preferred over 200ms and results I'll have to frequently delve deeper into myself, and I am not adding any less than 30 seconds in most cases. I'm happy to use a !bang to indicate what kind of response I want. I'm not the average user but people understand the difference between asking your roommate who's right there and asking a professional about something, so this doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
- jbverschoor 3y ago
  I tried to use chatgpt to search for many things, but it's just too slow for the amount I use google. Adding the lengthy prompts does not help. Performance is a feature
jsheard 3y ago
It also needs to be profitable, obviously their free tier is a money sink but I think it's currently unclear whether even their paid tiers are net-positive. Even if they provide a better service, if it's only feasible to run when subsidised by the AI hype-wave VC money firehose then it's not going to last.
CodeWriter23 3y ago
There is a trade off between processing time and quality of result's that pays off if the first result is the answer sought.
- jbverschoor 3y ago
  Very true.. I resort to chatgpt if things are not clear enough, when I need a broader picture, or when I want to have a discussion about the matter. Note the 'resort'. Huge opportunity here indeed
  - CodeWriter23 3y ago
    This is about infra rollout. The thing for Google is they can’t just slap Bard on the home page because it would be flattened in 10 seconds unless they massively invest in GPU resource. So what’s Google’s play here? Charge money to deliver ads to people? A startup otoh can start small and grow as revenues are received.
    - jbverschoor 3y ago
      The play? Advice people on what to buy. Have a conversation about the user's needs. Discover latent needs. They have the opportunity to do automated solution sales.
      - CodeWriter23 3y ago
        "Bard Qualified Leads", they can charge a commission instead of CPM. Genius!
arrowsmith 3y ago
OpenAI is already far faster than Google. Sure, Google returns your search results very quickly, but it then takes me forever to sift through the results and tweak my search query until I _maybe_ find an answer to my question, and I'm finding more and more that no matter how long I take, Google can't give me the answer at all. GPT-4 takes maybe 15-30 seconds to spit out a precise, detailed answer to exactly what I asked for, and it's usually the correct answer, or at least it's close enough. It would have to get a _lot_ slower to make me go back to Google.

faitswulff 3y ago

I've been using phind almost exclusively because it cites sources in the sidebar and it's free if you use their model. If I need code generated, ChatGPT will generally do a better job, though.

CodeWriter23 3y ago

I had a Vue question and Google was utterly useless and ChatGPT was giving only answers about the Options (legacy) API. I needed answers for the Composition API. So I told ChatGPT this is syntax for Options <code> and this is syntax for Composition <code> please restrict your answers to Composition examples and it worked.

syspec 3y ago
Sounds like you're on the free version of Chat GPT. What was your prompt?
- CodeWriter23 3y ago
  This was after going a few rounds of prompting in a more search-engine style for pinia, the composition api syntax is in the form: "defineStore('myStore', () => {})" and options api of the form: "defineStore('myStore', {})", using this definition, please show an example of using pinia and reactive() with the composition api instead of the options api results previously shown. thanks

davidbarker 3y ago

This is one of the things I like about Cursor (https://cursor.sh/ https://cursor.sh/, a fork of VS Code that adds AI features). It uses GPT (I believe they're running their own fine-tuned version), and allows you to '@' items like your files, folders, and (most impressively) any documentation. So, if I'm working on something that uses React Hook Form, I can paste the URL to the RHF documentation. Cursor will index it (presumably creating embeddings for each page), and then I just '@' the RHF documentation in the chat and it'll find the relevant pages and include it them the context for GPT to answer. It's very useful. I already subscribe to ChatGPT Plus but Cursor adds something special that I'm more than happy to subscribe to Cursor too.

bosquefrio 3y ago
How did you find out about Cursor?

NegativeK 3y ago

> Most content you find on Google is SEO trash, an LLM agent should be able to cut through that for me and save quite a lot of time. I don't believe this will last.