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Right, all the "just don't use it" comments miss the point. I used Nitter specifically because I don't use twitter, so I could see the contents of a link that w

by andy99 3y ago

Right, all the "just don't use it" comments miss the point. I used Nitter specifically because I don't use twitter, so I could see the contents of a link that was being posted or discussed. I suppose a solution could be "ignore a large swath of posts and links and discussions" which is basically what I do, but sometimes it's nice to have the option to look at them. Same as if you don't use MS Word, someone might still occasionally send you a word document and it's nice to have a way to open it without having to install Word.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
+1. Need something like archive.today/.is for Twitter so you can rip and archive the content that might not live elsewhere. Grab it, stick it in Wayback Machine, return a Wayback url.
- madamelic 3y ago
  +1 on Reddit as well. Reddit doesn't have login walls yet but it has way too much information stored within their walls to not have a backup / non-social-media way of extracting it. It's infeasible to have Reddit blocked because it's UI is intended to be addictive like all social media but also be able to extract information from it.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    For the moment, old.reddit.com is sill useful. For the moment.
    - pimlottc 3y ago
      It’s dying a slow death through neglect. Image posts don’t work correctly, image comments don’t show up, and the dirent comment links generated from www don’t work on old
      - apercu 3y ago
        Still better than logging in, using the new web app or downloading the app. It's not like 95% of the content is any good anyway. You have to dig deep into a niche to really get any value, and the last few years, less and less. Of course, I haven't logged in for 3-4 years so maybe I'm missing something. Doubt it.
      - hnick 3y ago
        There's also a thing lately where link targets posted on New Reddit (I assume, since mine aren't doing this) are all lower cased, while the link text is correct as you typed. This breaks the links for some sites. In addition to the issues with underscores getting extra slash-escapes.
  - thaumasiotes 3y ago
    > Reddit doesn't have login walls yet There isn't one on the root directory, but Reddit has plenty of login walls.
    - dpassens 3y ago
      On New Reddit. I haven't seen any on Old Reddit yet.
      - thaumasiotes 3y ago
        There's not a difference. If a subreddit requires you to be logged in, then it requires you to be logged in.
  - whstl 3y ago
    There are 18+ age walls that just force you to login, often in unnecessary places. Plus mobile sometimes refuses to show some things. old.reddit still works though.
    - godelski 3y ago
      I think this is only true if you're using mobile. If you're on a desktop you can get through just fine. Usually.
    - MSFT_Edging 3y ago
      Some subreddits will impose the 18+ wall because reddit hasn't specifically vetted/approved of the subreddit. So it will be something totally not adult, just a small sub with important information you're looking for and you can't view it anonymously from a browser.
      - WaxProlix 3y ago
        These can be avoided by using old.reddit.com instead of www. I think.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    https://academictorrents.com/details/7c0645c94321311bb05bd879ddee4d0eba08aaee https://academictorrents.com/details/7c0645c94321311bb05bd87...
  - godelski 3y ago
    Reddit also now blocks all Mullvad connections that I'm aware of. It's kinda ironic seeing all the scamy YouTube ads promoting using VPNs to watch Netflix in another country when that's never worked and other companies tend to be hostile towards VPN users.
- pogue 3y ago
  The EFF just recently wrote an article with instructions on how to persevere & archive your own tweets on the Wayback Machine, but it involves exporting your own backup and uploading it to them. Since the API is completely cut off from Twitter, there is no official way to backup other people's accounts. But archive.today uses scraping and all sorts of tricky methods to bypass paywalls. I honestly don't understand why Nitter can't just stay logged out and rotate IPs. Although I'm sure that gets pricey when other people are accessing it constantly. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/01/save-your-twitter-account https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/01/save-your-twitter-acco...
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    If the scraping model is impaired due to aggressive countermeasures, end game are browser extensions that scrape as users view the site and ship scraped data back to a processor, similar to recap the law (uses an extension to scrape the PACER legal database and ship digital artifacts to the Internet Archive). Care will need to be taken around potentially sensitive data that could be shipped if users are logged in. https://free.law/recap https://free.law/recap
    - pogue 3y ago
      Oh, that's a very cool project! How successful has it been? If it wasn't for Sci-hub that would be a great idea for the scientific publishing world as well.
      - toomuchtodo 3y ago
        Very successful. Millions of court filings extracted and indexed, and a crucial component in driving down PACER costs. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24086570 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24086570 > I'm the director of Free Law Project. For the case mentioned in the article we actually did a full expert testimony figuring out roughly how much per page it'd cost to run PACER using AWS GovCloud and a handful of other assumptions. It was...half a ten thousandth of a penny per page https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4214664/52/15/national-veterans-legal-services-program-v-united-states/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4214664/52/15/national-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24085158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24085158 > Government’s PACER Fees Are Too High, Federal Circuit Says https://news.bloomberglaw.com/white-collar-and-criminal-law/federal-circuit-affirms-limits-on-how-government-uses-pacer-fees https://news.bloomberglaw.com/white-collar-and-criminal-law/...
PaulHoule 3y ago
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- wl 3y ago
  If the content we wanted was on Mastodon, we would not be having this conversation. Your comment is deeply unhelpful.
  - PaulHoule 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - ben_w 3y ago
      You're looking at a vase and seeing two faces side-on. "Twitter won't let me read content people post on it" "Try posting it on Mastodon" "If it was on Mastodon we wouldn't be having this conversation" "Whatever, you don't share anything from Twitter anyway" Can you see the vase yet?
      - PaulHoule 3y ago
        It's like asking a Christian if he can see the devil.
    - wl 3y ago
      The issue isn't me posting Twitter links here or elsewhere. It's what to do when others do.
      - PaulHoule 3y ago
        [flagged]
        kps 3y ago
        Much as I dislike login walls, Mastodon still doesn't respect `:prefers-color-scheme`, so they're not my friends either.
carlosjobim 3y ago
Why don't you make a twitter account and install a duplicate web browser that you only use to open twitter links (and other crap that you don't want polluting your normal browser)?
- xigoi 3y ago
  I don’t want the company to have any information about me.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    That's why I suggested you use a burner browser.
    - MilaM 3y ago
      You also need a burner phone number. Otherwise it will be difficult to get an account.
      - carlosjobim 3y ago
        I didn't know you needed a phone number for twitter. Yeah, then it's difficult.
    - smaudet 3y ago
      These systems are completely losing propositions. My data is worth $$$$, my time is worth $$$, and I have to spend $$-$$$ in order to safely interop with them? Twitter/FB don't understand just what a terrible value proposition and complete waste of time they represent. I'm happy Ediot Mashbrains has been bleeding money for the damage he's caused.
  - UncleOxidant 3y ago
    I also don't want to give them any traffic.
- amenhotep 3y ago
  Spite, personally.

by andy99 3y ago

toomuchtodo 3y ago

+1. Need something like archive.today/.is for Twitter so you can rip and archive the content that might not live elsewhere. Grab it, stick it in Wayback Machine, return a Wayback url.

madamelic 3y ago
+1 on Reddit as well. Reddit doesn't have login walls yet but it has way too much information stored within their walls to not have a backup / non-social-media way of extracting it. It's infeasible to have Reddit blocked because it's UI is intended to be addictive like all social media but also be able to extract information from it.
- ben_w 3y ago
  For the moment, old.reddit.com is sill useful. For the moment.
  - pimlottc 3y ago
    It’s dying a slow death through neglect. Image posts don’t work correctly, image comments don’t show up, and the dirent comment links generated from www don’t work on old
    - apercu 3y ago
      Still better than logging in, using the new web app or downloading the app. It's not like 95% of the content is any good anyway. You have to dig deep into a niche to really get any value, and the last few years, less and less. Of course, I haven't logged in for 3-4 years so maybe I'm missing something. Doubt it.
    - hnick 3y ago
      There's also a thing lately where link targets posted on New Reddit (I assume, since mine aren't doing this) are all lower cased, while the link text is correct as you typed. This breaks the links for some sites. In addition to the issues with underscores getting extra slash-escapes.
- thaumasiotes 3y ago
  > Reddit doesn't have login walls yet There isn't one on the root directory, but Reddit has plenty of login walls.
  - dpassens 3y ago
    On New Reddit. I haven't seen any on Old Reddit yet.
    - thaumasiotes 3y ago
      There's not a difference. If a subreddit requires you to be logged in, then it requires you to be logged in.
- whstl 3y ago
  There are 18+ age walls that just force you to login, often in unnecessary places. Plus mobile sometimes refuses to show some things. old.reddit still works though.
  - godelski 3y ago
    I think this is only true if you're using mobile. If you're on a desktop you can get through just fine. Usually.
  - MSFT_Edging 3y ago
    Some subreddits will impose the 18+ wall because reddit hasn't specifically vetted/approved of the subreddit. So it will be something totally not adult, just a small sub with important information you're looking for and you can't view it anonymously from a browser.
    - WaxProlix 3y ago
      These can be avoided by using old.reddit.com instead of www. I think.
- rglullis 3y ago
  https://academictorrents.com/details/7c0645c94321311bb05bd879ddee4d0eba08aaee https://academictorrents.com/details/7c0645c94321311bb05bd87...
- godelski 3y ago
  Reddit also now blocks all Mullvad connections that I'm aware of. It's kinda ironic seeing all the scamy YouTube ads promoting using VPNs to watch Netflix in another country when that's never worked and other companies tend to be hostile towards VPN users.
pogue 3y ago
The EFF just recently wrote an article with instructions on how to persevere & archive your own tweets on the Wayback Machine, but it involves exporting your own backup and uploading it to them. Since the API is completely cut off from Twitter, there is no official way to backup other people's accounts. But archive.today uses scraping and all sorts of tricky methods to bypass paywalls. I honestly don't understand why Nitter can't just stay logged out and rotate IPs. Although I'm sure that gets pricey when other people are accessing it constantly. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/01/save-your-twitter-account https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/01/save-your-twitter-acco...
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  If the scraping model is impaired due to aggressive countermeasures, end game are browser extensions that scrape as users view the site and ship scraped data back to a processor, similar to recap the law (uses an extension to scrape the PACER legal database and ship digital artifacts to the Internet Archive). Care will need to be taken around potentially sensitive data that could be shipped if users are logged in. https://free.law/recap https://free.law/recap
  - pogue 3y ago
    Oh, that's a very cool project! How successful has it been? If it wasn't for Sci-hub that would be a great idea for the scientific publishing world as well.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      Very successful. Millions of court filings extracted and indexed, and a crucial component in driving down PACER costs. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24086570 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24086570 > I'm the director of Free Law Project. For the case mentioned in the article we actually did a full expert testimony figuring out roughly how much per page it'd cost to run PACER using AWS GovCloud and a handful of other assumptions. It was...half a ten thousandth of a penny per page https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4214664/52/15/national-veterans-legal-services-program-v-united-states/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4214664/52/15/national-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24085158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24085158 > Government’s PACER Fees Are Too High, Federal Circuit Says https://news.bloomberglaw.com/white-collar-and-criminal-law/federal-circuit-affirms-limits-on-how-government-uses-pacer-fees https://news.bloomberglaw.com/white-collar-and-criminal-law/...

PaulHoule 3y ago

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wl 3y ago
If the content we wanted was on Mastodon, we would not be having this conversation. Your comment is deeply unhelpful.
- PaulHoule 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - ben_w 3y ago
    You're looking at a vase and seeing two faces side-on. "Twitter won't let me read content people post on it" "Try posting it on Mastodon" "If it was on Mastodon we wouldn't be having this conversation" "Whatever, you don't share anything from Twitter anyway" Can you see the vase yet?
    - PaulHoule 3y ago
      It's like asking a Christian if he can see the devil.
  - wl 3y ago
    The issue isn't me posting Twitter links here or elsewhere. It's what to do when others do.
    - PaulHoule 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - kps 3y ago
        Much as I dislike login walls, Mastodon still doesn't respect `:prefers-color-scheme`, so they're not my friends either.

carlosjobim 3y ago

Why don't you make a twitter account and install a duplicate web browser that you only use to open twitter links (and other crap that you don't want polluting your normal browser)?

xigoi 3y ago
I don’t want the company to have any information about me.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  That's why I suggested you use a burner browser.
  - MilaM 3y ago
    You also need a burner phone number. Otherwise it will be difficult to get an account.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      I didn't know you needed a phone number for twitter. Yeah, then it's difficult.
  - smaudet 3y ago
    These systems are completely losing propositions. My data is worth $$$$, my time is worth $$$, and I have to spend $$-$$$ in order to safely interop with them? Twitter/FB don't understand just what a terrible value proposition and complete waste of time they represent. I'm happy Ediot Mashbrains has been bleeding money for the damage he's caused.
- UncleOxidant 3y ago
  I also don't want to give them any traffic.
amenhotep 3y ago
Spite, personally.