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Excuse my ignorance, but isn't upgrading to Windows 11... well free? Or is it different for enterprise licensing

by Delumine 3y ago

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ryukafalz 3y ago
Sure, if your PC is eligible for the upgrade. Which very many are not.
- niutech 3y ago
  You can very easily bypass it, so it is a non-issue: https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-requirement https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-re...
  - ryukafalz 3y ago
    Except if you do that, a future update might make your PC unbootable: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-11-24h2-goes-from-unsupported-to-unbootable-on-some-older-pcs/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-11-24h2-goes...
    - niutech 3y ago
      It's a non-issue for all CPUs >2008: > In modern x86 CPUs, POPCNT is implemented as part of the SSE4 instruction set. For Intel's chips, it was added as part of SSE4.2 in the original first-generation Core architecture, codenamed Nehalem. In AMD's processors, it's included in SSE4a, first used in Phenom, Athlon, and Sempron CPUs based on the K10 architecture. These architectures date back to 2008 and 2007, respectively.
tomkaos 3y ago
Windows 11 block installation on old generation of computer.
- niutech 3y ago
  It takes 1 minute to bypass it: https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-requirement https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-re...
- keyringlight 3y ago
  One aspect of this I wondered about at the time is that it happened in the wake of Meltdown/Spectre. Ideally it required AMD/intel to produce new microcode for their CPUs and motherboard manufacturers to produce new BIOS firmware for all applicable boards if you wanted to reduce risk before the OS can upload firmware. Presumably everyone wanted to avoid the tech site headlines about patches to workaround vulnerabilities reducing performance in their products, and they don't want "knows enough to be dangerous" geeks staying unpatched so counterstrike gets 156fps instead of 123fps. So, my guess is MS had discussions with AMD/intel on how much of their products they were willing to support for the lifespan of the OS, and likewise AMD/intel talked to motherboard manufacturers for a similar assurance as part of whatever partnership/licensing is agreed there. It's probably not helped by how on the consumer side ongoing support is a burden, they make money by selling new products.
delecti 3y ago
It also sucks. I'm typing this on a MS Surface brand laptop and have to fight off the "you can upgrade now" prompts because it changes things I don't find acceptable, even if they're trivial. Sounds like next October I'll be diving into the Linux compatibility of this laptop.
HWR_14 3y ago
It, at the very least, requires signing up for an online Microsoft account.

Excuse my ignorance, but isn't upgrading to Windows 11... well free? Or is it different for enterprise licensing

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ryukafalz 3y ago

Sure, if your PC is eligible for the upgrade. Which very many are not.

niutech 3y ago
You can very easily bypass it, so it is a non-issue: https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-requirement https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-re...
- ryukafalz 3y ago
  Except if you do that, a future update might make your PC unbootable: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-11-24h2-goes-from-unsupported-to-unbootable-on-some-older-pcs/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/windows-11-24h2-goes...
  - niutech 3y ago
    It's a non-issue for all CPUs >2008: > In modern x86 CPUs, POPCNT is implemented as part of the SSE4 instruction set. For Intel's chips, it was added as part of SSE4.2 in the original first-generation Core architecture, codenamed Nehalem. In AMD's processors, it's included in SSE4a, first used in Phenom, Athlon, and Sempron CPUs based on the K10 architecture. These architectures date back to 2008 and 2007, respectively.

tomkaos 3y ago

Windows 11 block installation on old generation of computer.

niutech 3y ago
It takes 1 minute to bypass it: https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-requirement https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/bypass-windows-11-tpm-re...
keyringlight 3y ago
One aspect of this I wondered about at the time is that it happened in the wake of Meltdown/Spectre. Ideally it required AMD/intel to produce new microcode for their CPUs and motherboard manufacturers to produce new BIOS firmware for all applicable boards if you wanted to reduce risk before the OS can upload firmware. Presumably everyone wanted to avoid the tech site headlines about patches to workaround vulnerabilities reducing performance in their products, and they don't want "knows enough to be dangerous" geeks staying unpatched so counterstrike gets 156fps instead of 123fps. So, my guess is MS had discussions with AMD/intel on how much of their products they were willing to support for the lifespan of the OS, and likewise AMD/intel talked to motherboard manufacturers for a similar assurance as part of whatever partnership/licensing is agreed there. It's probably not helped by how on the consumer side ongoing support is a burden, they make money by selling new products.

delecti 3y ago

It also sucks. I'm typing this on a MS Surface brand laptop and have to fight off the "you can upgrade now" prompts because it changes things I don't find acceptable, even if they're trivial. Sounds like next October I'll be diving into the Linux compatibility of this laptop.

HWR_14 3y ago

It, at the very least, requires signing up for an online Microsoft account.