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> Now, how do they enforce / check these "assemblies of people" depends on the people you ask. I assume police officers enforce / check them when they need to

> Now, how do they enforce / check these "assemblies of people" depends on the people you ask. I assume police officers enforce / check them when they need to fill their ticket quota, want to get money through a bribe, or just want to punish someone who personally annoyed them? That's how it usually works with half-enforced laws. In every law, there should be a requirement that it either gets enforced equally, or it loses power.

konschubert 3y ago
Selective enforcement transfers all power to the enforcer.
- candiodari 3y ago
  ... which is the point.
OJFord 3y ago
It doesn't even have to be that deliberate - these kinds of things end up being the reason you can use when you can't find/prove another. Which has 'good' uses too I suppose, as in where everyone agrees it was correct even if technical process a bit silly. (Not just cop on the street arresting 'obvious' drug dealers or whatever for unlawfully assembling, but charging mafia with tax evasion, or sexual assaulter CEOs with securities fraud.) But.. I'm guessing the majority of unlawful 5 or more assembly cases are not 'good'.
Intermernet 3y ago
But who enforces the equality of the enforcement? The only feasible system for this is 100% transparency of all legal proceedings and massive penalties for obscuring any legal proceedings. Governments and law enforcement bodies have only ever paid lip service to these ideals. They always resort to excuses involving "national security", "Realpolitik" or other convenient constructs that just happen to bias the legal system towards the incumbent powers.
AwaAwa 3y ago
This is true of every nation on earth. The bar is lower in countries where volumes work better.
WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
> In every law, there should be a requirement that it either gets enforced equally, or it loses power. The evil twin of this is maximized enforcement where enforcement and punishment have become a strong focus and shaping societal behavior is maybe a justification. It is the point at which we have lost our way.
- bheadmaster 3y ago
  Which in turn is caused by inflexibility of law change. If a law in place is found to be overly strict or general, then it should be changed or removed, and doing so should be simple and swift.
  - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
    > If a law in place is found to be overly strict or general, then it should be changed or removed, and doing so should be simple and swift. This would be a sweet world to live in. We'd have to change many reward systems to get there. Pointedly, we'd have to improve public thinking - but most folks have already made their easy, positive changes. What's left are difficult positive changes and easy negative changes.

konschubert 3y ago

Selective enforcement transfers all power to the enforcer.

candiodari 3y ago
... which is the point.

OJFord 3y ago

It doesn't even have to be that deliberate - these kinds of things end up being the reason you can use when you can't find/prove another. Which has 'good' uses too I suppose, as in where everyone agrees it was correct even if technical process a bit silly. (Not just cop on the street arresting 'obvious' drug dealers or whatever for unlawfully assembling, but charging mafia with tax evasion, or sexual assaulter CEOs with securities fraud.) But.. I'm guessing the majority of unlawful 5 or more assembly cases are not 'good'.

Intermernet 3y ago

But who enforces the equality of the enforcement? The only feasible system for this is 100% transparency of all legal proceedings and massive penalties for obscuring any legal proceedings. Governments and law enforcement bodies have only ever paid lip service to these ideals. They always resort to excuses involving "national security", "Realpolitik" or other convenient constructs that just happen to bias the legal system towards the incumbent powers.

AwaAwa 3y ago

This is true of every nation on earth. The bar is lower in countries where volumes work better.

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago

> In every law, there should be a requirement that it either gets enforced equally, or it loses power. The evil twin of this is maximized enforcement where enforcement and punishment have become a strong focus and shaping societal behavior is maybe a justification. It is the point at which we have lost our way.

bheadmaster 3y ago
Which in turn is caused by inflexibility of law change. If a law in place is found to be overly strict or general, then it should be changed or removed, and doing so should be simple and swift.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  > If a law in place is found to be overly strict or general, then it should be changed or removed, and doing so should be simple and swift. This would be a sweet world to live in. We'd have to change many reward systems to get there. Pointedly, we'd have to improve public thinking - but most folks have already made their easy, positive changes. What's left are difficult positive changes and easy negative changes.