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Is that so? As an Aussie, Heinz is not a new brand for me, but I definitely associate them with beans before ketchup (tomato sauce (dead horse in rhyming slang)

Is that so? As an Aussie, Heinz is not a new brand for me, but I definitely associate them with beans before ketchup (tomato sauce (dead horse in rhyming slang)). Canned baked beans are not thought of as a natural nor healthy option - is that the perception of Heinz as a company in NA, or is it just the ketchup product that's thought of as better/safer/more natural?

keiferski 3y ago
Your comment reminded me of the Mad Men story arc (set in the 60s) which is about Heinz being associated with beans, not ketchup. In the US, today I'd say Heinz is almost overwhelmingly associated with ketchup, so it's interesting that their ad efforts didn't make it to Oz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDiCW6wlFBc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDiCW6wlFBc
- frogulis 3y ago
  These days they may have a better association with "ketchup". My sister affirms that (Heinz) ketchup and tomato sauce are distinct products, but I'm not so sure.
  - jraph 3y ago
    For me, a ketchup is tomato purée / paste + suger + salt + some vinegar + possibly some seasoning (pepper, herbs...). Tomato sauces is a larger category of any kind of tomato based sauce in which we could shoehorn ketchup. A tomato sauce could be purely salted and without any sugar in it, though a pinch of sugar can mitigate the acidic taste.
- arethuza 3y ago
  "Beanz Meanz Heinz" is etched into my memory from my youth in the UK. Certainly when I think of Heinz I think of beans not ketchup.
  - jjkaczor 3y ago
    Huh - they once ran ads for ketchup that said something like: "Heinz, there are no other Kinds": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JplL1XzVV4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JplL1XzVV4
- drivingmenuts 3y ago
  I've bought Heinz Beans at a grocery store in Austin. In the import section. And they weren't bad, but not great either.
- foobar1962 3y ago
  The Australia market was dominated by Fountain Tomato Sauce, and possibly Master Foods. Heinz Ketchup wasn't easy to find, and it may have been named Tomato Sauce rather than Ketchup here.
nkrisc 3y ago
As an American, I had to do a terrible impression of an Aussie accent to hear how “sauce” and “horse” could possibly rhyme. As for Heinz, my impression has always been that it’s the standard, mass-produced supermarket fare that is probably not healthy/natural. Nothing they make that much of that lasts for so long can possibly be so.
- frogulis 3y ago
  They rhyme perfectly in an Australian accent :D Not rhotic, plus the vowel in "sauce" tends towards "or" rather than "ah". Hope that's a comprehensible explanation of our esoteric pronunciation :)
- dragontamer 3y ago
  The science of long lasting food is well known. Boiling kills most bacteria. Acid kills the leftover Botulism spores (one of the few diseases that survive boiling). Seal while hot and the food can stay good for a year or longer. Tomatoes already are near the acid point that kills botulism. Just gotta lower pH a little more with either lemons or vinegar. And bam, success. A professional would need to measure the pH to be sure as acidity levels differ. But we've been canning tomatoes for nearly two centuries now, the science is well tested and well figured out. > Nothing they make that much of that lasts for so long can possibly be so. Refrigeration was invented long after preserved foods. You couldn't match a Roman Legion 500 miles without preservatives. Salt, olive oil and wheat. It must have sucked to be a Roman Legion but less so than other troops. It's why 1lb of salt was worth 1lb of gold back then. The secrets of long lasting food (fermentation, salt, and other methods) is millennia old. Canning is relatively new (boiling+sealing simultaneously), a 1800s era discovery. But canning's health effects are well studied.
  - actionfromafar 3y ago
    Do you mean salt was worth as much as gold, literally?
    - dragontamer 3y ago
dreamcompiler 3y ago
In the US, Heinz is definitely more associated with ketchup. When Americans think of canned baked beans (which is rarely), Van Camp's is arguably more well-known. When I think of Heinz these days I think of the politician John Kerry, because he's married to the heir to the Heinz family fortune. But that's mostly because my brain is weird.

keiferski 3y ago

Your comment reminded me of the Mad Men story arc (set in the 60s) which is about Heinz being associated with beans, not ketchup. In the US, today I'd say Heinz is almost overwhelmingly associated with ketchup, so it's interesting that their ad efforts didn't make it to Oz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDiCW6wlFBc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDiCW6wlFBc

frogulis 3y ago
These days they may have a better association with "ketchup". My sister affirms that (Heinz) ketchup and tomato sauce are distinct products, but I'm not so sure.
- jraph 3y ago
  For me, a ketchup is tomato purée / paste + suger + salt + some vinegar + possibly some seasoning (pepper, herbs...). Tomato sauces is a larger category of any kind of tomato based sauce in which we could shoehorn ketchup. A tomato sauce could be purely salted and without any sugar in it, though a pinch of sugar can mitigate the acidic taste.
arethuza 3y ago
"Beanz Meanz Heinz" is etched into my memory from my youth in the UK. Certainly when I think of Heinz I think of beans not ketchup.
- jjkaczor 3y ago
  Huh - they once ran ads for ketchup that said something like: "Heinz, there are no other Kinds": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JplL1XzVV4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JplL1XzVV4
drivingmenuts 3y ago
I've bought Heinz Beans at a grocery store in Austin. In the import section. And they weren't bad, but not great either.
foobar1962 3y ago
The Australia market was dominated by Fountain Tomato Sauce, and possibly Master Foods. Heinz Ketchup wasn't easy to find, and it may have been named Tomato Sauce rather than Ketchup here.

nkrisc 3y ago

As an American, I had to do a terrible impression of an Aussie accent to hear how “sauce” and “horse” could possibly rhyme. As for Heinz, my impression has always been that it’s the standard, mass-produced supermarket fare that is probably not healthy/natural. Nothing they make that much of that lasts for so long can possibly be so.

frogulis 3y ago
They rhyme perfectly in an Australian accent :D Not rhotic, plus the vowel in "sauce" tends towards "or" rather than "ah". Hope that's a comprehensible explanation of our esoteric pronunciation :)
dragontamer 3y ago
The science of long lasting food is well known. Boiling kills most bacteria. Acid kills the leftover Botulism spores (one of the few diseases that survive boiling). Seal while hot and the food can stay good for a year or longer. Tomatoes already are near the acid point that kills botulism. Just gotta lower pH a little more with either lemons or vinegar. And bam, success. A professional would need to measure the pH to be sure as acidity levels differ. But we've been canning tomatoes for nearly two centuries now, the science is well tested and well figured out. > Nothing they make that much of that lasts for so long can possibly be so. Refrigeration was invented long after preserved foods. You couldn't match a Roman Legion 500 miles without preservatives. Salt, olive oil and wheat. It must have sucked to be a Roman Legion but less so than other troops. It's why 1lb of salt was worth 1lb of gold back then. The secrets of long lasting food (fermentation, salt, and other methods) is millennia old. Canning is relatively new (boiling+sealing simultaneously), a 1800s era discovery. But canning's health effects are well studied.
- actionfromafar 3y ago
  Do you mean salt was worth as much as gold, literally?
  - dragontamer 3y ago

dreamcompiler 3y ago

In the US, Heinz is definitely more associated with ketchup. When Americans think of canned baked beans (which is rarely), Van Camp's is arguably more well-known. When I think of Heinz these days I think of the politician John Kerry, because he's married to the heir to the Heinz family fortune. But that's mostly because my brain is weird.