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I guess I could read you a statement from Mein Kampf if you want. Not necessarily MY opinion... and it certainly wouldn't be. But my point is, why would I do

by dotBen 3y ago

I guess I could read you a statement from Mein Kampf if you want. Not necessarily MY opinion... and it certainly wouldn't be. But my point is, why would I do that? In both of these examples I can only assume one writes out an opinion because it's close to the one they hold themselves. I don't go around advocating opinions I don't actually hold myself.

cultofmetatron 3y ago
> I guess I could read you a statement from Mein Kampf if you want. Not necessarily MY opinion... and it certainly wouldn't be. with all due respect, being able to take a assertion or make a reasoned argument within the context of a logical framework outside your personal beliefs is a prerequisite to be a judge or lawyer or engineer. beyond mere "devils argument", it is valuable to be able to evaluate an idea in its context. one could argue for all sorts of things from the context of Mein Kampf and not personally believe it. it could be used a rhetorical device for framing a narrative in a way that lets others view it objectively.
- palmfacehn 3y ago
  >being able to take a assertion or make a reasoned argument within the context of a logical framework outside your personal beliefs is a prerequisite to be a judge or lawyer or engineer. Add analyzing the incentives and actions of 3rd parties generally. An important skill all-around.
catchnear4321 3y ago
> I guess I could read you a statement from Mein Kampf if you want. Not necessarily MY opinion... and it certainly wouldn't be. the difference is that you use it knowingly as a threat, and have seemingly decided that anything you deem threatening must have been done on purpose to hurt you.
shiroiushi 3y ago
>But my point is, why would I do that? Simple. You wouldn't read a statement from Mein Kampf, because no one in their right mind except for some neo-Nazis believes that trash. However, if you lived in a society full of and run by neo-Nazis, then yes, it would be entirely relevant to read a statement from that book even if you don't personally believe it. In our case, our society really is full of and run by neoliberal classical believers, so it makes perfect sense to state that point of view, and then counter at the end. And it's not just modern society; I'd say that HN, in particular, has even more believers in that kind of philosophy than mainstream society (where it's mainly the people at the top who believe and practice it).

by dotBen 3y ago

cultofmetatron 3y ago

> I guess I could read you a statement from Mein Kampf if you want. Not necessarily MY opinion... and it certainly wouldn't be. with all due respect, being able to take a assertion or make a reasoned argument within the context of a logical framework outside your personal beliefs is a prerequisite to be a judge or lawyer or engineer. beyond mere "devils argument", it is valuable to be able to evaluate an idea in its context. one could argue for all sorts of things from the context of Mein Kampf and not personally believe it. it could be used a rhetorical device for framing a narrative in a way that lets others view it objectively.

palmfacehn 3y ago
>being able to take a assertion or make a reasoned argument within the context of a logical framework outside your personal beliefs is a prerequisite to be a judge or lawyer or engineer. Add analyzing the incentives and actions of 3rd parties generally. An important skill all-around.

catchnear4321 3y ago

> I guess I could read you a statement from Mein Kampf if you want. Not necessarily MY opinion... and it certainly wouldn't be. the difference is that you use it knowingly as a threat, and have seemingly decided that anything you deem threatening must have been done on purpose to hurt you.

shiroiushi 3y ago

>But my point is, why would I do that? Simple. You wouldn't read a statement from Mein Kampf, because no one in their right mind except for some neo-Nazis believes that trash. However, if you lived in a society full of and run by neo-Nazis, then yes, it would be entirely relevant to read a statement from that book even if you don't personally believe it. In our case, our society really is full of and run by neoliberal classical believers, so it makes perfect sense to state that point of view, and then counter at the end. And it's not just modern society; I'd say that HN, in particular, has even more believers in that kind of philosophy than mainstream society (where it's mainly the people at the top who believe and practice it).