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Ime it never hurts to share your thoughts candidly with the leadership as long as your thoughts are what leadership wants to hear

OldGuyInTheClub 3y ago
Straight outta Broadway! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXmuuDbFy1Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXmuuDbFy1Q
hinkley 3y ago
Which leadership? I've had one favorite boss get fired, and at least two leave (forced out/encouraged to go) because they agreed with us but their peers or boss didn't. Agreeing with them is fine until it isn't, and then you're a collaborator. And then there's agreeing with the VP or CTO, but the people between you don't, and try to suppress your enthusiasm. If you go over their heads it better be to get transferred to another team instead of trying to change things in place, because now you're squeezing them and they will retaliate.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  > And then there's agreeing with the VP or CTO, but the people between you don't heh, been there. Sometimes I feel sorry for those that high up, especially the ones that DO mostly see the problems but are powerless to do much because of all the shit between them and the solution. The higher up you go the more power you have but the less control you have. That seems paradoxical but consider the old adage 'if you want something done right, do it yourself'. You may have the power to hire and fire but have little control over the day-to-day decisions that matter.
  - hinkley 3y ago
    When your boss hears but the CTO doesn't, sometimes you can get your business partners to tell their boss to tell your boss that they need <solution> from your product, at which point it rolls back downhill to you.
  - StreetChief 3y ago
    The people in charge have the power and the responsibility to ensure they are doing the right thing, and that their subordinates are too. If your subordinates aren't doing the right thing, or aren't listening to you as the leader, you as the leader need to act.
    - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
      people manage up and I'm sure as shit not going to be the one to tell the VP that my director is bullshitting them.
      - StreetChief 3y ago
        Responsibility is the ceo's/boards for most places. Not that they will be taking responsibility any time soon. But the subordinate thing still applies, I think.

OldGuyInTheClub 3y ago

Straight outta Broadway! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXmuuDbFy1Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXmuuDbFy1Q

hinkley 3y ago

Which leadership? I've had one favorite boss get fired, and at least two leave (forced out/encouraged to go) because they agreed with us but their peers or boss didn't. Agreeing with them is fine until it isn't, and then you're a collaborator. And then there's agreeing with the VP or CTO, but the people between you don't, and try to suppress your enthusiasm. If you go over their heads it better be to get transferred to another team instead of trying to change things in place, because now you're squeezing them and they will retaliate.

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
> And then there's agreeing with the VP or CTO, but the people between you don't heh, been there. Sometimes I feel sorry for those that high up, especially the ones that DO mostly see the problems but are powerless to do much because of all the shit between them and the solution. The higher up you go the more power you have but the less control you have. That seems paradoxical but consider the old adage 'if you want something done right, do it yourself'. You may have the power to hire and fire but have little control over the day-to-day decisions that matter.
- hinkley 3y ago
  When your boss hears but the CTO doesn't, sometimes you can get your business partners to tell their boss to tell your boss that they need <solution> from your product, at which point it rolls back downhill to you.
- StreetChief 3y ago
  The people in charge have the power and the responsibility to ensure they are doing the right thing, and that their subordinates are too. If your subordinates aren't doing the right thing, or aren't listening to you as the leader, you as the leader need to act.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    people manage up and I'm sure as shit not going to be the one to tell the VP that my director is bullshitting them.
    - StreetChief 3y ago
      Responsibility is the ceo's/boards for most places. Not that they will be taking responsibility any time soon. But the subordinate thing still applies, I think.