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I doubt you've had strength competitions with every vegan you've ever met. I'm a vegan and I would bet 100:1 I'm stronger than you, at least as it goes by tradi

I doubt you've had strength competitions with every vegan you've ever met. I'm a vegan and I would bet 100:1 I'm stronger than you, at least as it goes by traditional powerlifting standards.

rpmisms 3y ago
First, over half of them are women, and any women stronger than me are very clearly so at first sight, and second, most of the vegan men I've met, I've arm-wrestled. I have never won so easily as against a vegan man. It's like there's no energy in the muscles. I know there are exceptions, like the vegan Olympic weightlifters, but their diet is a lot more expensive than my scrawny genetics and primarily red meat diet. I'm 150#/6'1", bench 240 (ok, my genetics are a serious advantage here), deadlift 340 and eat about 1700 calories a day. If you can go better pound for pound, I'll accept your point.
- IncreasePosts 3y ago
  Arm wrestling is almost entirely technique. Most people don't arm wrestle anyone, and their technique will suck, but it seems like you arm wrestle most of the people you meet, which means you probably have developed some kind of useful technique even if you haven't explicitly studied it. I'm 210#/6', My 5 rep maxes are(I don't do 1RMs): bench 275, DL 495, squat 455. You do seem strong, but I am pretty sure that is due to your genetics and whatever exercise you get, and not due to the red meat diet you have.
  - rpmisms 3y ago
    Yes, but my technique is terrible, relying almost entirely on wrist strength. I routinely lose to a relative who I am stronger than, but has stronger forearms than me. I started lifting as a vegan (properly supplemented) and switched to primarily meat when I stalled my progress. My 1RMs were 270 DL, 180 bench then. Same weight and height. I only saw progress when I started eating meat, although the dairy probably helped too. Also seriously helped my recovery times. I think the increased digestibility of dairy and meat proteins allowed my body to heal enough to actually build strength, and I'm now lifting at a much higher class for my weight and build.
- samatman 3y ago
  You're obviously lying lol. "I, a real person who definitely exists, arm wrestle the majority of vegans I meet. As one does!" Pull the other one!
  - rpmisms 3y ago
    I'm a rural southerner, vegans are an object of curiosity here. Also, arm-wrestling is just a common pastime in my community. One of my favorite matches was against a 230lb Korean guy, college student visiting town. Definitely overall stronger than me, but he just couldn't put the torque up before he wore himself out. One interesting thing I've noted is that people who were raised eating meat and doing farm chores are much stronger than vegans who work out in a typical fashion. I arm-wrestled a monk who doesn't eat meat, but was raised on a farm, and he had a lot more endurance than a typical plant-based person.
    - InSteady 3y ago
      FYI, arm wrestling is a test of technique moreso than strength. And IMO you are generally correct that people who actually work with their muscles tend to have more functional strength (endurance, efficiency, and versatility) than people who train in gyms and have very pretty muscles that aren't terrible efficient in demanding real world situations (lots of explosive strength but only optimized for very specific trained movements). Still, this has nothing to do with what type of protein one consumes.
      - rpmisms 3y ago
        I basically answered all of this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39379157 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39379157
- eatwater123 3y ago
  This is the funniest thing I've seen on the internet in a while. A reality where people are challenged to arm wrestling competitions because of what they eat is hilarious (and completely ridiculous - I would laugh my face off if someone started telling me how they bench more than me when I order vegetarian food at a restaurant)
  - hombre_fatal 3y ago
    This is the caliber of anti-vegan commentary you have to get used to as lab grown meat enters the scene.
    - rpmisms 3y ago
      I'm not even being harshly anti-vegan, since this is HN. I kill most of the meat I eat, I have a very low tolerance for moralizing on this topic.

I doubt you've had strength competitions with every vegan you've ever met. I'm a vegan and I would bet 100:1 I'm stronger than you, at least as it goes by traditional powerlifting standards.

rpmisms 3y ago

First, over half of them are women, and any women stronger than me are very clearly so at first sight, and second, most of the vegan men I've met, I've arm-wrestled. I have never won so easily as against a vegan man. It's like there's no energy in the muscles. I know there are exceptions, like the vegan Olympic weightlifters, but their diet is a lot more expensive than my scrawny genetics and primarily red meat diet. I'm 150#/6'1", bench 240 (ok, my genetics are a serious advantage here), deadlift 340 and eat about 1700 calories a day. If you can go better pound for pound, I'll accept your point.

IncreasePosts 3y ago
Arm wrestling is almost entirely technique. Most people don't arm wrestle anyone, and their technique will suck, but it seems like you arm wrestle most of the people you meet, which means you probably have developed some kind of useful technique even if you haven't explicitly studied it. I'm 210#/6', My 5 rep maxes are(I don't do 1RMs): bench 275, DL 495, squat 455. You do seem strong, but I am pretty sure that is due to your genetics and whatever exercise you get, and not due to the red meat diet you have.
- rpmisms 3y ago
  Yes, but my technique is terrible, relying almost entirely on wrist strength. I routinely lose to a relative who I am stronger than, but has stronger forearms than me. I started lifting as a vegan (properly supplemented) and switched to primarily meat when I stalled my progress. My 1RMs were 270 DL, 180 bench then. Same weight and height. I only saw progress when I started eating meat, although the dairy probably helped too. Also seriously helped my recovery times. I think the increased digestibility of dairy and meat proteins allowed my body to heal enough to actually build strength, and I'm now lifting at a much higher class for my weight and build.
samatman 3y ago
You're obviously lying lol. "I, a real person who definitely exists, arm wrestle the majority of vegans I meet. As one does!" Pull the other one!
- rpmisms 3y ago
  I'm a rural southerner, vegans are an object of curiosity here. Also, arm-wrestling is just a common pastime in my community. One of my favorite matches was against a 230lb Korean guy, college student visiting town. Definitely overall stronger than me, but he just couldn't put the torque up before he wore himself out. One interesting thing I've noted is that people who were raised eating meat and doing farm chores are much stronger than vegans who work out in a typical fashion. I arm-wrestled a monk who doesn't eat meat, but was raised on a farm, and he had a lot more endurance than a typical plant-based person.
  - InSteady 3y ago
    FYI, arm wrestling is a test of technique moreso than strength. And IMO you are generally correct that people who actually work with their muscles tend to have more functional strength (endurance, efficiency, and versatility) than people who train in gyms and have very pretty muscles that aren't terrible efficient in demanding real world situations (lots of explosive strength but only optimized for very specific trained movements). Still, this has nothing to do with what type of protein one consumes.
    - rpmisms 3y ago
      I basically answered all of this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39379157 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39379157
eatwater123 3y ago
This is the funniest thing I've seen on the internet in a while. A reality where people are challenged to arm wrestling competitions because of what they eat is hilarious (and completely ridiculous - I would laugh my face off if someone started telling me how they bench more than me when I order vegetarian food at a restaurant)
- hombre_fatal 3y ago
  This is the caliber of anti-vegan commentary you have to get used to as lab grown meat enters the scene.
  - rpmisms 3y ago
    I'm not even being harshly anti-vegan, since this is HN. I kill most of the meat I eat, I have a very low tolerance for moralizing on this topic.