Right, I don't know the core details right off, I just meant that it was easy to think of some commercial C vendors that still exist. I think it is fair that t

Right, I don't know the core details right off, I just meant that it was easy to think of some commercial C vendors that still exist. I think it is fair that there is a difference in having a corporate sponsor, and having a organization chartered to sponsor. (I also have to ack that I don't know of many other C vendors, nowadays?)