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Having used Teams previously, I strongly suspect the latter. I didn't find anything about it to be particularly obnoxious.

wkat4242 3y ago
It's slow, it's got a really poorly designed UI. It tries to do too much. It's not configurable enough, very low density
- psunavy03 3y ago
  And it was none of these things enough for me to care. I'm not over the moon about it; I just don't despise it either. It's a tool, so I used it.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Despise is not the word I'd use either. But it's this feeling that I have with so many Microsoft's products: Mediocrity. Something like slack really feels good and intuitive to use. It had to be to make it on its own from nothing. Most alternatives for MS products and services are much better, simply because they have to be, they don't have the installed base to coast on. With teams it feels like it's mainly chosen because it comes with O365 subscriptions for free anyway and it's not bad enough to justify paying separately for a better product. In fact most Microsoft products have this strong feeling about them. The same with Windows, Office, Yammer, Sharepoint, Edge.. It's not great experiences for the end users, though for the IT guys it's all pretty handy because of the integration. It's that feeling of missed opportunity, that it could actually have been great if someone had cared. I think part of this is the failure of MS leadership to set a customer-centric vision. There seems to be a lot of infighting within business units. For example, they started out ok with Edge (even though it was just a chrome ripoff) but then some low-level exec had to go and enshittify it with coupon ads and loan schemes to inflate their own department's KPIs, but totally undermining the product and company as a whole. This is really something that a company with a strong vision wouldn't permit.
mablopoule 3y ago
Teams is nice enough when it works, but it tend to break far more than any other chat app I used. Stuff like getting the call notification (won't work on Firefox, I have to launch Chrome even though I can join a meeting on Firefox). The most annoying is that sometime it just doesn't display anything. Like no notification on my phone, or the lastest message will sometime not appear on a device. Teams also have some very nice things going for it with it's Office 365 integration, but as a chat app it's just way more buggy than it should.

wkat4242 3y ago

It's slow, it's got a really poorly designed UI. It tries to do too much. It's not configurable enough, very low density

psunavy03 3y ago
And it was none of these things enough for me to care. I'm not over the moon about it; I just don't despise it either. It's a tool, so I used it.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Despise is not the word I'd use either. But it's this feeling that I have with so many Microsoft's products: Mediocrity. Something like slack really feels good and intuitive to use. It had to be to make it on its own from nothing. Most alternatives for MS products and services are much better, simply because they have to be, they don't have the installed base to coast on. With teams it feels like it's mainly chosen because it comes with O365 subscriptions for free anyway and it's not bad enough to justify paying separately for a better product. In fact most Microsoft products have this strong feeling about them. The same with Windows, Office, Yammer, Sharepoint, Edge.. It's not great experiences for the end users, though for the IT guys it's all pretty handy because of the integration. It's that feeling of missed opportunity, that it could actually have been great if someone had cared. I think part of this is the failure of MS leadership to set a customer-centric vision. There seems to be a lot of infighting within business units. For example, they started out ok with Edge (even though it was just a chrome ripoff) but then some low-level exec had to go and enshittify it with coupon ads and loan schemes to inflate their own department's KPIs, but totally undermining the product and company as a whole. This is really something that a company with a strong vision wouldn't permit.

mablopoule 3y ago

Teams is nice enough when it works, but it tend to break far more than any other chat app I used. Stuff like getting the call notification (won't work on Firefox, I have to launch Chrome even though I can join a meeting on Firefox). The most annoying is that sometime it just doesn't display anything. Like no notification on my phone, or the lastest message will sometime not appear on a device. Teams also have some very nice things going for it with it's Office 365 integration, but as a chat app it's just way more buggy than it should.