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It's not shockingly inaccurate. It's not quite literally true -- of course there are some people who are not connected -- but it's very close to being true. Eve

by SamBam 3y ago

It's not shockingly inaccurate. It's not quite literally true -- of course there are some people who are not connected -- but it's very close to being true. Even in places of extreme poverty, in extremely underprivileged or remote areas, most people have access to a cellphone, even if they may not own it themselves. Indeed, in many parts of the developing world, even in extreme poverty, a cellphone is often the number one way people pay for goods.

1970-01-01 3y ago
> but it's very close to being true. [citation needed] I brought my own. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_access#Digital_divide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_access#Digital_divide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_divide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_divide
- SamBam 3y ago
  Is there a citation there that's less than a decade old? In the Digital Divide section in the first link, there was one citation from 2015, but most citations were 2007-2011... Really not relevant to the discussion. Also, the meaning of "unconnected" varies widely. Many of the citation in the second link aren't referring to basic cell phones. E.g., the 2017 (which, again, is seven years old) Wireless Broadband Alliance paper defines unconnected as "an unconnected individual was defined as an individual who does not have access to or cannot afford broadband connectivity." The huge proportion of the population that I know in, say, Kenya, who use WhatsApp and use cell phones to pay for goods, do not have broadband. But the quote in question was "connected electronically." These people are definitely connected electronically.
  - 1970-01-01 3y ago
    https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/digitaldevelopment/overview#:~:text=The%20digital%20divide%20holds%20back,income%20countries%20use%20the%20internet https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/digitaldevelopment/overvi....
    - SamBam 3y ago
      That page cites ITU [1], and the ITU page doesn't cite their sources at all. It may be their own numbers, but I don't see any link to a real study or methodology. They also don't define connectivity, but the section is titled "connectivity/broadband" so I assume that, again, they're only referring to broadband connectivity. 1. https://www.itu.int/en/mediacentre/Pages/PR-2023-09-12-universal-and-meaningful-connectivity-by-2030.aspx https://www.itu.int/en/mediacentre/Pages/PR-2023-09-12-unive...
politelemon 3y ago
It is inaccurate, the degree to which it is inaccurate does not really need debating if the opening statement of the post calls it a fact. And no, there are many remote areas where this is still untrue, many are still disconnected from what we are talking about. It is very odd that this point is actually being argued.

by SamBam 3y ago

1970-01-01 3y ago

> but it's very close to being true. [citation needed] I brought my own. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_access#Digital_divide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_access#Digital_divide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_divide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_divide

SamBam 3y ago
Is there a citation there that's less than a decade old? In the Digital Divide section in the first link, there was one citation from 2015, but most citations were 2007-2011... Really not relevant to the discussion. Also, the meaning of "unconnected" varies widely. Many of the citation in the second link aren't referring to basic cell phones. E.g., the 2017 (which, again, is seven years old) Wireless Broadband Alliance paper defines unconnected as "an unconnected individual was defined as an individual who does not have access to or cannot afford broadband connectivity." The huge proportion of the population that I know in, say, Kenya, who use WhatsApp and use cell phones to pay for goods, do not have broadband. But the quote in question was "connected electronically." These people are definitely connected electronically.
- 1970-01-01 3y ago
  https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/digitaldevelopment/overview#:~:text=The%20digital%20divide%20holds%20back,income%20countries%20use%20the%20internet https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/digitaldevelopment/overvi....
  - SamBam 3y ago
    That page cites ITU [1], and the ITU page doesn't cite their sources at all. It may be their own numbers, but I don't see any link to a real study or methodology. They also don't define connectivity, but the section is titled "connectivity/broadband" so I assume that, again, they're only referring to broadband connectivity. 1. https://www.itu.int/en/mediacentre/Pages/PR-2023-09-12-universal-and-meaningful-connectivity-by-2030.aspx https://www.itu.int/en/mediacentre/Pages/PR-2023-09-12-unive...

politelemon 3y ago

It is inaccurate, the degree to which it is inaccurate does not really need debating if the opening statement of the post calls it a fact. And no, there are many remote areas where this is still untrue, many are still disconnected from what we are talking about. It is very odd that this point is actually being argued.