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Why dismiss it as a distraction? Every positive action is a step in the right direction to help keep the planet in a liveable condition. I'm happy if restricti

Why dismiss it as a distraction? Every positive action is a step in the right direction to help keep the planet in a liveable condition. I'm happy if restricting single use plastic like plastic straws helps even a small amount to reduce plastic pollution. If i can put up with a soggy straw after 15 mins in a drink, the ultra rich can fly 1st class more often.

DangerousPie 3y ago
You wouldn't have to put up with a soggy straw if we tackled the real problems instead.
- phatfish 3y ago
  Why can't we do both? Personally I don't want plastic trash polluting the environment. I think this attitude gets the the heart of the problem. When it actually comes to lifestyle changes it suddenly becomes someone else's problem.
  - dpassens 3y ago
    > Personally I don't want plastic trash polluting the environment. Ban throwing them into the environment, then. I've never thrown my plastic straws into the ocean, that happens further down the line of trash disposal. So why should I be the one who's punished for it?
- timeon 3y ago
  I don't as I do not us straws at all. Point of banning plastic ones was not to create paper ones.
fuzzbazz 3y ago
> PFAS were found in the majority of the straws tested and were most common in those made from paper and bamboo, found the study, published in Food Additives & Contaminants. [1] I would prefer not to consume this with my drink [2]. Not every seemingly positive action is actually positive. Second order effects must be always considered. [1] https://phys.org/news/2023-08-paper-straws-environment-plastic-versions.html https://phys.org/news/2023-08-paper-straws-environment-plast... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per-_and_polyfluoroalkyl_substances#Health_and_environmental_effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per-_and_polyfluoroalkyl_subst...
avgcorrection 3y ago
> I'm happy if restricting single use plastic like plastic straws helps even a small amount to reduce plastic pollution. Then well, okay. A small victory for you, a huge loss for the focus on solving the problem. Is it a coincidence that the Media focuses on trivialities that are all about “consumer choice”? No. It’s so that we lose focus on the greater picture. Things like restructuring society. Oh, everything in this store is wrapped in plastic? Nevermind that, shopper—use our reusable bags that cost way more energy and plastic to manufacture. Don’t be a plastic-sinner. And you’re just gonna lose that battle. The Media can churn out thousands of concern-troll articles about plastic straws for every little nudge of care in a plebian comment section somewhere on the Internet. The only reason the Media has to care a little bit about it is because of the absurdity of taking a private jet to Davos or whatever to discuss climate change. Focus on solving real issues in real ways.

DangerousPie 3y ago

You wouldn't have to put up with a soggy straw if we tackled the real problems instead.

phatfish 3y ago
Why can't we do both? Personally I don't want plastic trash polluting the environment. I think this attitude gets the the heart of the problem. When it actually comes to lifestyle changes it suddenly becomes someone else's problem.
- dpassens 3y ago
  > Personally I don't want plastic trash polluting the environment. Ban throwing them into the environment, then. I've never thrown my plastic straws into the ocean, that happens further down the line of trash disposal. So why should I be the one who's punished for it?
timeon 3y ago
I don't as I do not us straws at all. Point of banning plastic ones was not to create paper ones.

fuzzbazz 3y ago

> PFAS were found in the majority of the straws tested and were most common in those made from paper and bamboo, found the study, published in Food Additives & Contaminants. [1] I would prefer not to consume this with my drink [2]. Not every seemingly positive action is actually positive. Second order effects must be always considered. [1] https://phys.org/news/2023-08-paper-straws-environment-plastic-versions.html https://phys.org/news/2023-08-paper-straws-environment-plast... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per-_and_polyfluoroalkyl_substances#Health_and_environmental_effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per-_and_polyfluoroalkyl_subst...

avgcorrection 3y ago

> I'm happy if restricting single use plastic like plastic straws helps even a small amount to reduce plastic pollution. Then well, okay. A small victory for you, a huge loss for the focus on solving the problem. Is it a coincidence that the Media focuses on trivialities that are all about “consumer choice”? No. It’s so that we lose focus on the greater picture. Things like restructuring society. Oh, everything in this store is wrapped in plastic? Nevermind that, shopper—use our reusable bags that cost way more energy and plastic to manufacture. Don’t be a plastic-sinner. And you’re just gonna lose that battle. The Media can churn out thousands of concern-troll articles about plastic straws for every little nudge of care in a plebian comment section somewhere on the Internet. The only reason the Media has to care a little bit about it is because of the absurdity of taking a private jet to Davos or whatever to discuss climate change. Focus on solving real issues in real ways.