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It's a bit of a stretch perfectly simulating one proton, I'm afraid. https://www.quantamagazine.org/inside-the-proton-the-most-complicated-thing-imaginable-202
by simonh 3y ago
It's a bit of a stretch perfectly simulating one proton, I'm afraid.
https://www.quantamagazine.org/inside-the-proton-the-most-complicated-thing-imaginable-20221019/ https://www.quantamagazine.org/inside-the-proton-the-most-co...
- huytersd 3y agoOh wow. Maybe that can be a new scale measure of technological capability based on how much of reality we can perfectly simulate.
- simonh 3y agoIf you think about it, a computer's not going to be able to perfectly simulate it's own physical operation, so the limit of a system's ability to simulate things is it's own complexity.
- todd8 3y agoThis isn’t obvious to me. It doesn’t have to simulate itself in real time. It may not be able to simulate itself simulating itself. There may be proof of this using a diagonalization proof. Consider programs that are quines, programs are able to output the exact source code of the program. See [1]. And there are abstract computers that can produce any computable output. These are called Universal Turing Machines, see [2]. UTMs can be specified with a remarkably small number of internal states, see [3]. I’m not saying you are wrong, but computability is full of unintuitive results, and the answer may be more subtle than what is revealed by “just thinking about it”. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quine_(computing) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quine_(computing) [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Turing_machine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Turing_machine [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfram%27s_2-state_3-symbol_Turing_machine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfram%27s_2-state_3-symbol...
- simonh 3y agoIt needs to be able to store a complete representation of different versions of it's own state, in it's own state.