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Suikoden and Eiyuden Chronicles creator Yoshitaka Murayama has died

106 points by tetrisgm 3y ago

tetrisgm 3y ago
Yoshitaka Murayama, creator of the Suikoden and Eiyuden Chronicles, has passed away. He was a creative, daring, passionate man. Thank you for the wonderful games, Murayama san. You made a lot of people happy.
toomuchtodo 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshitaka_Murayama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshitaka_Murayama
batmansmk 3y ago
What a terrible news. Suikoden is one of those incredibly creative game. Rip.
JimiofEden 3y ago
Was bummed to see it in the Eiyuden newsletter this morning. Suikoden and its sequel were formative for me and my immediate friend group growing up. His creative vision definitely left an impact on me. (Or at least as much as made it through the localization.) It was always such a delight to get random notes from him in the updates. It'll definitely be sad to not get those anymore.
coolbreezetft24 3y ago
Have never played this game but always wanted to given it's legendary reputation (copies are really expensive). I plan to get the remaster that was announced a while but haven't heard much on it since
- AdmiralAsshat 3y ago
  From collecting retro games (particularly of the PS1 era) I can tell you from experience that price is not always commensurate with quality. More often, it's tied to rarity, which in turn then raises the perception of quality because, frankly, there often aren't enough copies to dispute it. Modern ports and especially Emulation has helped knock down some of those artificial barriers and let people more honestly assess how good the games are. For example: Panzer Dragoon Saga. I managed to play it on a Saturn emulator. Great game? Honestly, yes. Is it a $500 great game? Eh...
  - JohnBooty 3y ago
    I think PDS is special partly (mostly?) because of its part in gaming history. It was symbolic of the end of "peak Sega", a beautiful and ambitious RPG better (or at least more ambitious) than Final Fantasy 7 in many ways, released to virtually zero sales as Sega sunsetted the Saturn. (In retrospect, the failure of the Saturn was really the last nail in the console of Sega's console business, and the Dreamcast just couldn't overcome that inertia.) Or at least that's what Panzer Dragoon Saga represents to me anyway...
- desas 3y ago
  They announced last October that it wouldn't be released in 2023 but there's been no further details released. https://www.konami.com/games/genso/rem/1_2/us/en-us/ https://www.konami.com/games/genso/rem/1_2/us/en-us/
- molticrystal 3y ago
  The only thing I heard was the Suikoden I&II remaster was coming out this year. Considering it is Konami of disown legendary developers and loot nostalgia to pay for our work on video gambling devices, I can only hope for the best.
- honkycat 3y ago
  You can find the ISO with a 10 minute search, and run the game on most modern phones. Buying on the secondary market does nothing to enrich the original creators, or even the corporation that owns the property. Especially with games like this, where the only option is to download it, I don't see any ethical issues.
amyjess 3y ago
Suikoden II has been on my bucket list for years. Maybe I'll finally get around to playing it now, in his memory. Rest in peace.
- lizardking 3y ago
  It really is one of the all-time greats. In my opinion, Suikoden II holds up better than any JRPG from that era. It has fast combat (unlike most RPGS of the era), 3 different battle systems (traditional, 1v1, and army battles), a top-notch story, and one of the best soundtracks to be found on the system.
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    Oh shit! I forgot about the 1v1 battles. Those were really fun
- megmogandog 3y ago
  It's a fantastic game, I had a blast playing through it twice, first 'unspoiled', then following a guide to get all the characters. I wish there were more JRPGs that took such a maximalist approach to how many playable characters you get
- favorited 3y ago
  I expect there will be a bit of a Suikoden renaissance, since they're working on an HD remaster of Suikoden I & II.
kleiba 3y ago
Unfortunately, I have never heard of Suikoden, somehow it passed me by. But it sounds really cool.
jackmoore 3y ago
Suikoden was released on PS1 in 1995, so he would have been just 26 at that time. Amazing. When the topic comes up of changing Japanese box art for western audiences, the first game I think of is Suikoden. US: https://u-mercari-images.mercdn.net/photos/m48962020641_1.jpg https://u-mercari-images.mercdn.net/photos/m48962020641_1.jp... Japanse: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/diQAAOSwtPddKcNl/s-l1200.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/diQAAOSwtPddKcNl/s-l1200.jpg
- JimiofEden 3y ago
  I love this US box art so much it's so dreadful and left such a weird impression on me initially. My friends and I had a hell of a time trying to figure out who the characters were meant to be. I think by the end of it, our conclusions were: Left Side: Barbarossa, Ted, Windy Right Side: McDohl (maybe Luc?), Leknaat, Three headed skeleton demon because ??? Flying on the dragon I always assumed to be Futch, but who knows. If it's Luc in the corner, I guess it could be McDohl in the center, (he is the main character after all.)
- AdmiralAsshat 3y ago
  The sprite-based games of old certainly gave wide latitude for how you choose to interpret the character designs. It doesn't surprise me that at that time they would've chosen to supplement the sprites with western-style art designs for a western audience. It's in the same vein (but not quite as hilarious IMO) as what they did to Breath of Fire II's art. JP: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/box/3/8/2/16382_front.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/box/3/8/2/16382_front.jpg ENG: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/box/3/8/3/16383_front.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/box/3/8/3/16383_front.jpg From blue-haired anime teenager to Frank Frazetta-style barbarian!
  - lapetitejort 3y ago
    Tim Rogers made a parody of what Boku no Natsuyasumi's box art would look like given a North American release. JP cover art: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boku_no_Natsuyasumi#/media/File:Boku_no_Natsuyasumi.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boku_no_Natsuyasumi#/media/Fil... Hypothetical NA cover art: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Flpj2mWXwAQY_dI.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Flpj2mWXwAQY_dI.jpg It's a miracle that the NA cover art for Ico came out so beautifully (EDIT: somehow I confused the beautiful Japan/European box art with the NA box art. The NA box art is horrible)
jncfhnb 3y ago
Suikoden was sort of impenetrable for me as a kid. Whereas you could easily stumble through final fantasy, suikoden felt like it had just enough going for it that you actually needed to understand its mechanics. The vast cast was always intimidating and I wouldn’t ever use anyone who didn’t seem obviously strong immediately, and I suspect that was why it felt hard. On the other hand revisiting turn based rpgs of my youth has generally found them insanely easy (just use buffs) so it could also just be that.
- b450 3y ago
  You must not have happened upon the master-pupil attack..
- p1necone 3y ago
  I used to struggle with rpgs as a kid because I had absolutely no patience. I'd just throw myself at bosses while underlevelled over and over again rather than spend a bit of time levelling up/getting better gear etc before trying again. Now that I've grown up a little, they feel faster and easier.
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    I’m not so sure. I know that I used to grind way more as a kid and still struggled more. I think the big differences are: not using buffs (immensely important), healing too much, trying to use only the biggest attacks, focusing on the biggest bad on the enemy team, Suikoden may have been different with all its characters and actually demanded some grinding?
dang 3y ago
Url changed from https://rabbitandbearstudios.com/%e7%9a%86%e6%a7%98%e3%81%b8%e5%a4%a7%e5%88%87%e3%81%aa%e3%81%8a%e7%9f%a5%e3%82%89%e3%81%9b/ https://rabbitandbearstudios.com/%e7%9a%86%e6%a7%98%e3%81%b8..., which points to this.
- tetrisgm 3y ago
  Would you consider changing the title back to include Eiyuden Chronicles @dang? It was his swansong.
  - dang 3y ago
    I don't fully understand. Can you tell me what you'd like the title to say?
    - tetrisgm 3y ago
      Suikoden and Eiyuden Chronicles creator
      - dang 3y ago
        OK, done.
        tetrisgm 3y ago
        :)
dang 3y ago
We changed the URL from https://rabbitandbearstudios.com/%e7%9a%86%e6%a7%98%e3%81%b8%e5%a4%a7%e5%88%87%e3%81%aa%e3%81%8a%e7%9f%a5%e3%82%89%e3%81%9b/ https://rabbitandbearstudios.com/%e7%9a%86%e6%a7%98%e3%81%b8... to an article I just googled. If there's a better article in English, we can change it again.
- tetrisgm 3y ago
  Yeah this was just the original url where they announced it. I was puzzled with the route, but wanted to give the original authors the traffic. They did a Kickstarter off of it and their lead just died so they can use all the visibility they can get.
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spookybones 3y ago
I loved Suikoden 1 & 2 as a kid. I had no idea it was considered such a great. I couldn't talk to anyone about it then. Final Fantasy 7 soon took over the landscape. I wonder if it still holds up.
- mike1o1 3y ago
  It does! At least Suikoden 2, which I was never able to play as a kid (S1 was one of my favorites, but S2 was too hard to find). I played through it a few years back and it was great. I recommend trying them out.

106 points by tetrisgm 3y ago

Yoshitaka Murayama, creator of the Suikoden and Eiyuden Chronicles, has passed away. He was a creative, daring, passionate man. Thank you for the wonderful games, Murayama san. You made a lot of people happy.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshitaka_Murayama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshitaka_Murayama

batmansmk 3y ago

What a terrible news. Suikoden is one of those incredibly creative game. Rip.

JimiofEden 3y ago

Was bummed to see it in the Eiyuden newsletter this morning. Suikoden and its sequel were formative for me and my immediate friend group growing up. His creative vision definitely left an impact on me. (Or at least as much as made it through the localization.) It was always such a delight to get random notes from him in the updates. It'll definitely be sad to not get those anymore.

coolbreezetft24 3y ago

Have never played this game but always wanted to given it's legendary reputation (copies are really expensive). I plan to get the remaster that was announced a while but haven't heard much on it since

AdmiralAsshat 3y ago
From collecting retro games (particularly of the PS1 era) I can tell you from experience that price is not always commensurate with quality. More often, it's tied to rarity, which in turn then raises the perception of quality because, frankly, there often aren't enough copies to dispute it. Modern ports and especially Emulation has helped knock down some of those artificial barriers and let people more honestly assess how good the games are. For example: Panzer Dragoon Saga. I managed to play it on a Saturn emulator. Great game? Honestly, yes. Is it a $500 great game? Eh...
- JohnBooty 3y ago
  I think PDS is special partly (mostly?) because of its part in gaming history. It was symbolic of the end of "peak Sega", a beautiful and ambitious RPG better (or at least more ambitious) than Final Fantasy 7 in many ways, released to virtually zero sales as Sega sunsetted the Saturn. (In retrospect, the failure of the Saturn was really the last nail in the console of Sega's console business, and the Dreamcast just couldn't overcome that inertia.) Or at least that's what Panzer Dragoon Saga represents to me anyway...
desas 3y ago
They announced last October that it wouldn't be released in 2023 but there's been no further details released. https://www.konami.com/games/genso/rem/1_2/us/en-us/ https://www.konami.com/games/genso/rem/1_2/us/en-us/
molticrystal 3y ago
The only thing I heard was the Suikoden I&II remaster was coming out this year. Considering it is Konami of disown legendary developers and loot nostalgia to pay for our work on video gambling devices, I can only hope for the best.
honkycat 3y ago
You can find the ISO with a 10 minute search, and run the game on most modern phones. Buying on the secondary market does nothing to enrich the original creators, or even the corporation that owns the property. Especially with games like this, where the only option is to download it, I don't see any ethical issues.

amyjess 3y ago

Suikoden II has been on my bucket list for years. Maybe I'll finally get around to playing it now, in his memory. Rest in peace.

lizardking 3y ago
It really is one of the all-time greats. In my opinion, Suikoden II holds up better than any JRPG from that era. It has fast combat (unlike most RPGS of the era), 3 different battle systems (traditional, 1v1, and army battles), a top-notch story, and one of the best soundtracks to be found on the system.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  Oh shit! I forgot about the 1v1 battles. Those were really fun
megmogandog 3y ago
It's a fantastic game, I had a blast playing through it twice, first 'unspoiled', then following a guide to get all the characters. I wish there were more JRPGs that took such a maximalist approach to how many playable characters you get
favorited 3y ago
I expect there will be a bit of a Suikoden renaissance, since they're working on an HD remaster of Suikoden I & II.

kleiba 3y ago

Unfortunately, I have never heard of Suikoden, somehow it passed me by. But it sounds really cool.

jackmoore 3y ago

Suikoden was released on PS1 in 1995, so he would have been just 26 at that time. Amazing. When the topic comes up of changing Japanese box art for western audiences, the first game I think of is Suikoden. US: https://u-mercari-images.mercdn.net/photos/m48962020641_1.jpg https://u-mercari-images.mercdn.net/photos/m48962020641_1.jp... Japanse: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/diQAAOSwtPddKcNl/s-l1200.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/diQAAOSwtPddKcNl/s-l1200.jpg

JimiofEden 3y ago
I love this US box art so much it's so dreadful and left such a weird impression on me initially. My friends and I had a hell of a time trying to figure out who the characters were meant to be. I think by the end of it, our conclusions were: Left Side: Barbarossa, Ted, Windy Right Side: McDohl (maybe Luc?), Leknaat, Three headed skeleton demon because ??? Flying on the dragon I always assumed to be Futch, but who knows. If it's Luc in the corner, I guess it could be McDohl in the center, (he is the main character after all.)
AdmiralAsshat 3y ago
The sprite-based games of old certainly gave wide latitude for how you choose to interpret the character designs. It doesn't surprise me that at that time they would've chosen to supplement the sprites with western-style art designs for a western audience. It's in the same vein (but not quite as hilarious IMO) as what they did to Breath of Fire II's art. JP: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/box/3/8/2/16382_front.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/box/3/8/2/16382_front.jpg ENG: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/box/3/8/3/16383_front.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/box/3/8/3/16383_front.jpg From blue-haired anime teenager to Frank Frazetta-style barbarian!
- lapetitejort 3y ago
  Tim Rogers made a parody of what Boku no Natsuyasumi's box art would look like given a North American release. JP cover art: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boku_no_Natsuyasumi#/media/File:Boku_no_Natsuyasumi.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boku_no_Natsuyasumi#/media/Fil... Hypothetical NA cover art: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Flpj2mWXwAQY_dI.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Flpj2mWXwAQY_dI.jpg It's a miracle that the NA cover art for Ico came out so beautifully (EDIT: somehow I confused the beautiful Japan/European box art with the NA box art. The NA box art is horrible)

jncfhnb 3y ago

Suikoden was sort of impenetrable for me as a kid. Whereas you could easily stumble through final fantasy, suikoden felt like it had just enough going for it that you actually needed to understand its mechanics. The vast cast was always intimidating and I wouldn’t ever use anyone who didn’t seem obviously strong immediately, and I suspect that was why it felt hard. On the other hand revisiting turn based rpgs of my youth has generally found them insanely easy (just use buffs) so it could also just be that.

b450 3y ago
You must not have happened upon the master-pupil attack..
p1necone 3y ago
I used to struggle with rpgs as a kid because I had absolutely no patience. I'd just throw myself at bosses while underlevelled over and over again rather than spend a bit of time levelling up/getting better gear etc before trying again. Now that I've grown up a little, they feel faster and easier.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  I’m not so sure. I know that I used to grind way more as a kid and still struggled more. I think the big differences are: not using buffs (immensely important), healing too much, trying to use only the biggest attacks, focusing on the biggest bad on the enemy team, Suikoden may have been different with all its characters and actually demanded some grinding?

dang 3y ago

Url changed from https://rabbitandbearstudios.com/%e7%9a%86%e6%a7%98%e3%81%b8%e5%a4%a7%e5%88%87%e3%81%aa%e3%81%8a%e7%9f%a5%e3%82%89%e3%81%9b/ https://rabbitandbearstudios.com/%e7%9a%86%e6%a7%98%e3%81%b8..., which points to this.

tetrisgm 3y ago
Would you consider changing the title back to include Eiyuden Chronicles @dang? It was his swansong.
- dang 3y ago
  I don't fully understand. Can you tell me what you'd like the title to say?
  - tetrisgm 3y ago
    Suikoden and Eiyuden Chronicles creator
    - dang 3y ago
      OK, done.
      - tetrisgm 3y ago
        :)

dang 3y ago

We changed the URL from https://rabbitandbearstudios.com/%e7%9a%86%e6%a7%98%e3%81%b8%e5%a4%a7%e5%88%87%e3%81%aa%e3%81%8a%e7%9f%a5%e3%82%89%e3%81%9b/ https://rabbitandbearstudios.com/%e7%9a%86%e6%a7%98%e3%81%b8... to an article I just googled. If there's a better article in English, we can change it again.

tetrisgm 3y ago
Yeah this was just the original url where they announced it. I was puzzled with the route, but wanted to give the original authors the traffic. They did a Kickstarter off of it and their lead just died so they can use all the visibility they can get.
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spookybones 3y ago

I loved Suikoden 1 & 2 as a kid. I had no idea it was considered such a great. I couldn't talk to anyone about it then. Final Fantasy 7 soon took over the landscape. I wonder if it still holds up.

mike1o1 3y ago
It does! At least Suikoden 2, which I was never able to play as a kid (S1 was one of my favorites, but S2 was too hard to find). I played through it a few years back and it was great. I recommend trying them out.