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> because honestly Nvidia's current generation 24GB is the sweet spot price to performance How is the halo product of a range the "sweet spot"? I think nVidia

> because honestly Nvidia's current generation 24GB is the sweet spot price to performance How is the halo product of a range the "sweet spot"? I think nVidia are extremely exposed on this front. The RX 7900XTX is also 24GB and under half the price (In UK at least - £800 vs £1,700 for the 4090). It's difficult to get a performance comparison on compute tasks, but I think it's around 70-80% of the 4090 given what I can find. Even a 3090, if you can find one, is £1,500. The software isn't as stable on AMD hardware, but it does work. I'm running a RX7600 - 8GB myself, and happily doing SDXL. The main problem is that exhausting VRAM causes instability. Exceed it by a lot, and everything is handled fine, but if it's marginal... problems ensue. The AMD engineers are actively making the experience better, and it may not be long before it's a practical alternative. If/When that happens nVidia will need to slash their prices to sell anything in this sphere, which I can't really see themselves doing.

zargon 3y ago
> If/When that happens nVidia will need to slash their prices to sell anything in this sphere It's just as likely that AMD will raise prices to compensate.
- weebull 3y ago
  You think they're going to say "Hey, compute became competitive but nothing else changed performance therefore... PRICE HIKE!"? They don't have the reputation to burn in this domain for that IMHO. Granted you could see a supply/demand related increase from retailers if demand spiked, but that's the retailers capitalising.
  - zargon 3y ago
    The price hike would come proportionally with each new hardware generation as their software stack becomes competitive with CUDA. Since it will most likely take them multiple generations to catch up. It doesn't make sense for them to sell hardware with comparable capability at a deep discount. Plenty of companies will want to diversify hardware vendors just to have a bargaining chip against Nvidia.
whywhywhywhy 3y ago
>How is the halo product of a range the "sweet spot"? Because it’s actually a bargain second hand (got another for £650 last week buy it now eBay) and cheap for the benefit it offers for any professional who needs it. 3090 is the iPhone of AI, people should be ecstatic it even exists not complaining about it.
- weebull 3y ago
  > because honestly Nvidia's current generation 24GB is the sweet spot price to performance You're aware the 3090 is not the current generation? You can see why I would think you were talking about the 4090?
  - whywhywhywhy 3y ago
    Think it's weirder you assumed I meant 4090 when it doesn't really offer enough benefit over the 3090 to justify it's cost, and you mentioned an incorrect price for the 3090 anyway so it's not like you weren't talking about 3090.

zargon 3y ago

> If/When that happens nVidia will need to slash their prices to sell anything in this sphere It's just as likely that AMD will raise prices to compensate.

weebull 3y ago
You think they're going to say "Hey, compute became competitive but nothing else changed performance therefore... PRICE HIKE!"? They don't have the reputation to burn in this domain for that IMHO. Granted you could see a supply/demand related increase from retailers if demand spiked, but that's the retailers capitalising.
- zargon 3y ago
  The price hike would come proportionally with each new hardware generation as their software stack becomes competitive with CUDA. Since it will most likely take them multiple generations to catch up. It doesn't make sense for them to sell hardware with comparable capability at a deep discount. Plenty of companies will want to diversify hardware vendors just to have a bargaining chip against Nvidia.

whywhywhywhy 3y ago

>How is the halo product of a range the "sweet spot"? Because it’s actually a bargain second hand (got another for £650 last week buy it now eBay) and cheap for the benefit it offers for any professional who needs it. 3090 is the iPhone of AI, people should be ecstatic it even exists not complaining about it.

weebull 3y ago
> because honestly Nvidia's current generation 24GB is the sweet spot price to performance You're aware the 3090 is not the current generation? You can see why I would think you were talking about the 4090?
- whywhywhywhy 3y ago
  Think it's weirder you assumed I meant 4090 when it doesn't really offer enough benefit over the 3090 to justify it's cost, and you mentioned an incorrect price for the 3090 anyway so it's not like you weren't talking about 3090.