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agree, the author mainly complained about UX issues in the client, but then only tried one client it seems. Article should have been titled "The Element Trashfi

agree, the author mainly complained about UX issues in the client, but then only tried one client it seems. Article should have been titled "The Element Trashfire" > my recommendation is to avoid Matrix for at least two years which seems arbitrary. Why wait 2 years and not one or just a couple months? The french administration is already using it now https://www.tchap.gouv.fr/ https://www.tchap.gouv.fr/ In federated protocols it's always harder for the user to choose an instance for them. Not sure if the responsibility for that should be on the protocol managing party.

Attrecomet 3y ago
The author tried the exactly one client that was available from element in the app store. Hard to fault him for that.
- bowsamic 3y ago
  The thing is that people will defend this as a feature of this kind of system, rather than a problem
- master-lincoln 3y ago
  Well, they tried to use an open source ecosystem by finding an app in a store where devs need to pay to get their apps in. Maybe not the best combination
  - croes 3y ago
    What do you think non IT people would do?
    - jeroenhd 3y ago
      They wouldn't even know Matrix existed, most likely. They certainly wouldn't have found "Element" on their own. If they did manage to find Element at all, I would guess that would be through the "try matrix" button on matrix.org, which has an "install Element" button, which then leads to a "download for macOS" button. More realistically, people would be typing "Matrix" into GPlay or the app store on their phones. The confusing Element/Element X situation would still apply, of course.
      - dzaima 3y ago
        If one knows about Matrix/Element, it'll of course be from hearing/reading about it somewhere. And thus if they were just told "discussion is at #foo:example.org on Element" or whatever they'll clearly go for Element (and I've seen "Element" be used for "Matrix" a couple times). Though then at least maybe they wouldn't manage to pass the blame on Matrix for what is an Element problem.

Attrecomet 3y ago

The author tried the exactly one client that was available from element in the app store. Hard to fault him for that.

bowsamic 3y ago
The thing is that people will defend this as a feature of this kind of system, rather than a problem
master-lincoln 3y ago
Well, they tried to use an open source ecosystem by finding an app in a store where devs need to pay to get their apps in. Maybe not the best combination
- croes 3y ago
  What do you think non IT people would do?
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    They wouldn't even know Matrix existed, most likely. They certainly wouldn't have found "Element" on their own. If they did manage to find Element at all, I would guess that would be through the "try matrix" button on matrix.org, which has an "install Element" button, which then leads to a "download for macOS" button. More realistically, people would be typing "Matrix" into GPlay or the app store on their phones. The confusing Element/Element X situation would still apply, of course.
    - dzaima 3y ago
      If one knows about Matrix/Element, it'll of course be from hearing/reading about it somewhere. And thus if they were just told "discussion is at #foo:example.org on Element" or whatever they'll clearly go for Element (and I've seen "Element" be used for "Matrix" a couple times). Though then at least maybe they wouldn't manage to pass the blame on Matrix for what is an Element problem.