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The fact that this has existed for so long and is common enough to warrant a third party program devoted to resolving the issue is an embarrassment for Apple.

by kpmcc 3y ago

The fact that this has existed for so long and is common enough to warrant a third party program devoted to resolving the issue is an embarrassment for Apple. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/balance-lock/id1019371109?mt=12?mt=12 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/balance-lock/id1019371109?mt=1...

10729287 3y ago
There are so many bugs and even more poor ergonomic choices that have been unfixed for years on Apple Devices. It's fascinating considering the whole cult regarding the company's so called attention to details.
- user_7832 3y ago
  Attention to detail, but only when they can market/advertise it, perhaps?
- MetalSnake 3y ago
  That "cult" and "attention to details" was a long time ago, when Steve Jobs was CEO. But even then there were many bugs, like the .DS_Store files, which never got fixed. It got much worse when Tim Cook took over. Now I only use macOS because the next best thing is still worse, and also the Mac hardware became really good with the switch to ARM (after a long long dark time with x86 where the hardware got worse and worse with each iteration).
  - cozzyd 3y ago
    I wish .DS_Store files were automatically gitignored... (though why should git fix such a stupid problem it didn't create...)
    - da768 3y ago
      Pretty easy with a global gitignore
      - cozzyd 3y ago
        it's not my computer that produces these files... but yes, perhaps MacOS should ship with .DS_Store in a global gitignore by default (though I don't even know if it ships with git at all...)
        staticfish 3y ago
        It does not (unless you install XCode developer tools)
- jwells89 3y ago
  It’s because despite those issues, depressingly macOS still delivers an experience that to most Mac users is preferable over that of Linux or especially Windows. Increasingly it’s not that macOS is incredible, but that the alternatives are that much worse. And I say this as someone who uses Windows and Linux daily alongside macOS. Windows isn’t going to get any better so long as Microsoft’s betting on pushing services on users to make money and while desktop Linux is better than ever it still has a ways to go to make it unquestionably better across the board for more than a small subset of users. It’s actually quite similar to why people buy MacBooks. Generic PC laptops nearly all involve one or more major tradeoffs in day to day use, with none being as good all-rounders as MacBooks even if individual specs don’t measure up.
  - okamiueru 3y ago
    MacOS and Windows are, in my honest opinion, significantly less consistent experiences than Gnome. The list I have on MacOS UX annoyances, design inconsistencies and implementation bugs is in the hundreds.
    - jwells89 3y ago
      GNOME is very consistent, but the downside is that it’s not great in terms of power user features and progressive disclosure thereof. In some ways it’s also more mobile-inclined, it’s basically what one would get if they took iPadOS and applied some adaptations for desktop usage. Some of that consistency is also undone when it’s necessary to run Electron or Qt apps. Anki for example is a real pain if you’re using fractional scaling under Wayland, because GNOME’s refusal to implement server side decorations forces Anki to run with an ugly generic titlebar and no shadow. macOS is better here, with all programs getting the system default window treatment unless they request otherwise.
  - soundnote 3y ago
    Apart from MS's obsessive Bing pushing, I'd say Windows is easily better than macOS. Explorer beats Finder, PWA/Chrome profile support is nicer, window manager is better, archives are handled natively, touchpad gestures for eg. virtual desktops on small laptops are competitive. With a normal mouse, middle click for eg. hold to drag just isn't supported. The natural scroll settings for mouse and trackpad are bound, when you'd usually want them to be the opposite of each other. As far as I know, iCloud is less well-featured than OneDrive. As a recent MBA owner, the only thing I think Apple nails is hardware. The battery life and low power use are amazing and there's something to be said for Apple's ability to force-move devs to ARM. The rest, not really. The OS is aggressively mid, as the kids would say. ...okay. Apple still makes native apps. That counts for something.
soundnote 3y ago
Apple is quite fine with their OS being an embarassment that needs 3rd party apps to fix, people will still hail it as the best thing ever. For example, window management on macOS is trash, and the shortcuts are command+arrows which is fine if you have both hands on the keyboard. Not so much when you have a separate mouse. The OS is built expecting you are on a laptop or using a trackpad of some kind.
- nihilius 3y ago
  Yes, my solution was to throw more money at apple and get the "Magic" Trackpad. Just so i can use it alongisde my mouse for swipe gestures....
  - soundnote 3y ago
    Apple problems get solved by buying more Apple products, working as intended :)
OJFord 3y ago
See also recent thread on menu items hiding behind camera notch... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39343919 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39343919 'Just works'!
dinkblam 3y ago
Apple isn't 'embarrassed' by bugs at all - only if those bugs result in widespread public attention. Filing 100s of extremely detailed bug reports on their 'feedback assistant' will do less to change anything than one trending twitter post or news coverage.
- astrange 3y ago
  Making bug reports extremely detailed doesn’t actually help; you don’t know which details are relevant and it could get it sent down the wrong paths from other people getting distracted by them. Plus it gives you burnout. Rely on the system logs to have enough detail.

by kpmcc 3y ago

10729287 3y ago

There are so many bugs and even more poor ergonomic choices that have been unfixed for years on Apple Devices. It's fascinating considering the whole cult regarding the company's so called attention to details.

user_7832 3y ago
Attention to detail, but only when they can market/advertise it, perhaps?
MetalSnake 3y ago
That "cult" and "attention to details" was a long time ago, when Steve Jobs was CEO. But even then there were many bugs, like the .DS_Store files, which never got fixed. It got much worse when Tim Cook took over. Now I only use macOS because the next best thing is still worse, and also the Mac hardware became really good with the switch to ARM (after a long long dark time with x86 where the hardware got worse and worse with each iteration).
- cozzyd 3y ago
  I wish .DS_Store files were automatically gitignored... (though why should git fix such a stupid problem it didn't create...)
  - da768 3y ago
    Pretty easy with a global gitignore
    - cozzyd 3y ago
      it's not my computer that produces these files... but yes, perhaps MacOS should ship with .DS_Store in a global gitignore by default (though I don't even know if it ships with git at all...)
      - staticfish 3y ago
        It does not (unless you install XCode developer tools)
jwells89 3y ago
It’s because despite those issues, depressingly macOS still delivers an experience that to most Mac users is preferable over that of Linux or especially Windows. Increasingly it’s not that macOS is incredible, but that the alternatives are that much worse. And I say this as someone who uses Windows and Linux daily alongside macOS. Windows isn’t going to get any better so long as Microsoft’s betting on pushing services on users to make money and while desktop Linux is better than ever it still has a ways to go to make it unquestionably better across the board for more than a small subset of users. It’s actually quite similar to why people buy MacBooks. Generic PC laptops nearly all involve one or more major tradeoffs in day to day use, with none being as good all-rounders as MacBooks even if individual specs don’t measure up.
- okamiueru 3y ago
  MacOS and Windows are, in my honest opinion, significantly less consistent experiences than Gnome. The list I have on MacOS UX annoyances, design inconsistencies and implementation bugs is in the hundreds.
  - jwells89 3y ago
    GNOME is very consistent, but the downside is that it’s not great in terms of power user features and progressive disclosure thereof. In some ways it’s also more mobile-inclined, it’s basically what one would get if they took iPadOS and applied some adaptations for desktop usage. Some of that consistency is also undone when it’s necessary to run Electron or Qt apps. Anki for example is a real pain if you’re using fractional scaling under Wayland, because GNOME’s refusal to implement server side decorations forces Anki to run with an ugly generic titlebar and no shadow. macOS is better here, with all programs getting the system default window treatment unless they request otherwise.
- soundnote 3y ago
  Apart from MS's obsessive Bing pushing, I'd say Windows is easily better than macOS. Explorer beats Finder, PWA/Chrome profile support is nicer, window manager is better, archives are handled natively, touchpad gestures for eg. virtual desktops on small laptops are competitive. With a normal mouse, middle click for eg. hold to drag just isn't supported. The natural scroll settings for mouse and trackpad are bound, when you'd usually want them to be the opposite of each other. As far as I know, iCloud is less well-featured than OneDrive. As a recent MBA owner, the only thing I think Apple nails is hardware. The battery life and low power use are amazing and there's something to be said for Apple's ability to force-move devs to ARM. The rest, not really. The OS is aggressively mid, as the kids would say. ...okay. Apple still makes native apps. That counts for something.

soundnote 3y ago

Apple is quite fine with their OS being an embarassment that needs 3rd party apps to fix, people will still hail it as the best thing ever. For example, window management on macOS is trash, and the shortcuts are command+arrows which is fine if you have both hands on the keyboard. Not so much when you have a separate mouse. The OS is built expecting you are on a laptop or using a trackpad of some kind.

nihilius 3y ago
Yes, my solution was to throw more money at apple and get the "Magic" Trackpad. Just so i can use it alongisde my mouse for swipe gestures....
- soundnote 3y ago
  Apple problems get solved by buying more Apple products, working as intended :)

OJFord 3y ago

See also recent thread on menu items hiding behind camera notch... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39343919 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39343919 'Just works'!

dinkblam 3y ago

Apple isn't 'embarrassed' by bugs at all - only if those bugs result in widespread public attention. Filing 100s of extremely detailed bug reports on their 'feedback assistant' will do less to change anything than one trending twitter post or news coverage.

astrange 3y ago
Making bug reports extremely detailed doesn’t actually help; you don’t know which details are relevant and it could get it sent down the wrong paths from other people getting distracted by them. Plus it gives you burnout. Rely on the system logs to have enough detail.