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Either that, or using the proprietary Mali drivers which rely on userspace X11 GPU drivers which don't work in current versions of X or current kernels so you e

by mort96 3y ago

Either that, or using the proprietary Mali drivers which rely on userspace X11 GPU drivers which don't work in current versions of X or current kernels so you end up running 5.10 using a separate x11-legacy package. ARM GPUs on Linux are truly in a terrible state right now. I hope ARM gets serious about ensuring that upstream supports their GPUs soon after release.

snvzz 3y ago
>I hope ARM gets serious about ensuring that upstream supports their GPUs soon after release. Ironically, Imagination Technologies of PowerVR fame (infamy?) did, with a funded mesa3d driver effort. And embraced RISC-V while at it.
zokier 3y ago
At least ARM is not completely antagonist anymore and is actually funding some this effort, that is already pretty good step forwards. But yes, there is long way to go for everyone here. https://newsroom.arm.com/news/arm-expands-open-source-partnerships https://newsroom.arm.com/news/arm-expands-open-source-partne...
- mort96 3y ago
  I've seen that too, I'm (very) cautiously optimistic. Ideally, ARM would be doing a bunch of the development work and actually ensure that the driver support is ready to be upstreamed on day 1 (like what AMD pretty much does AFAIU). However, the Mali-G610 (used in the RK3588) is still not supported despite being released in 2021. ARM's "work with Collabora" started before the release of the Mali-G610, so the fact that we're so far from upstream support even after this many years of development seems like a bad sign. I don't understand why future Mali architectures wouldn't also take 4+ years unless ARM really really steps it up.
  - throw354279 3y ago
    > I don't understand why future Mali architectures wouldn't also take 4+ years unless ARM really really steps it up. G610 (and the larger G710) are sort of special since there was a major change to the internal architecture and how work is submitted to the GPUs. Later versions didn't have such a big, breaking change.

by mort96 3y ago

snvzz 3y ago

>I hope ARM gets serious about ensuring that upstream supports their GPUs soon after release. Ironically, Imagination Technologies of PowerVR fame (infamy?) did, with a funded mesa3d driver effort. And embraced RISC-V while at it.

zokier 3y ago

At least ARM is not completely antagonist anymore and is actually funding some this effort, that is already pretty good step forwards. But yes, there is long way to go for everyone here. https://newsroom.arm.com/news/arm-expands-open-source-partnerships https://newsroom.arm.com/news/arm-expands-open-source-partne...

mort96 3y ago
I've seen that too, I'm (very) cautiously optimistic. Ideally, ARM would be doing a bunch of the development work and actually ensure that the driver support is ready to be upstreamed on day 1 (like what AMD pretty much does AFAIU). However, the Mali-G610 (used in the RK3588) is still not supported despite being released in 2021. ARM's "work with Collabora" started before the release of the Mali-G610, so the fact that we're so far from upstream support even after this many years of development seems like a bad sign. I don't understand why future Mali architectures wouldn't also take 4+ years unless ARM really really steps it up.
- throw354279 3y ago
  > I don't understand why future Mali architectures wouldn't also take 4+ years unless ARM really really steps it up. G610 (and the larger G710) are sort of special since there was a major change to the internal architecture and how work is submitted to the GPUs. Later versions didn't have such a big, breaking change.